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Old 01-07-2012, 01:41 PM
 
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your 1978 example has nothing to do with the other situation. that was a government defect, the fire example was a person knowingly choosing not to pay because they wanted to save the money and hope they will still get the service because other people were supporting the fire department no thanks to them.

ohh he even offered to pay retroactively! wow!! what extreme generosity! hey, i would like to not pay my life insurance policy and then right when i die i want to get a $10 million policy!

you can thank government corruption for your $6 fee. lobbyists exist because government is corrupt. thats a government problem, not an insurance company problem.
Actually his neighbor (TN example) had to pay $500 because the subscription service had to be used to prevent his property from being engulfed in flames.

Its BOTH problem. revolving door between govt and business. Eg: John Corzine. And your Kool-Aid man governor pulled the same shenanigans (paying retroactively) when he flew a state helicopter to a little league game and the cdouldn't be bothered to walk across the little league field (instead having a Lincoln towncar drive him across). Do as I say, not as I do, eh?
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Old 01-07-2012, 01:50 PM
 
Location: NJ
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Actually his neighbor (TN example) had to pay $500 because the subscription service had to be used to prevent his property from being engulfed in flames.

Its BOTH problem. revolving door between govt and business. Eg: John Corzine. And your Kool-Aid man governor pulled the same shenanigans (paying retroactively) when he flew a state helicopter to a little league game and the cdouldn't be bothered to walk across the little league field (instead having a Lincoln towncar drive him across). Do as I say, not as I do, eh?
as i read it, the neighbor had paid the $75 fee so the firefighters protected his property. where did you see that he paid $500??????

it isnt BOTH problem, its a government problem. every politician is corrupt because that is the nature of government. that is one reason why the best government is a small government with very limited power and limited spending ability.
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Old 01-07-2012, 02:28 PM
 
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The South Fulton fire service is a city service and Cranick's house was outside city limits, therefore residents outside city limits have to pay $75 per year for coverage (since they are not paying prop taxes). Thus it is a way to opt-in to a socialist service.

So this is not an example of privatization. But it is an example of free-riding. Pay-to-spray fire service (private or public) won't work in densely populated areas because of the massive externalities.

If a human was trapped inside would they have attempted to rescue them? I bet they would have. Anternatively, they could have extinguished it and then sent a bill.
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Old 01-07-2012, 04:16 PM
 
Location: NJ
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The South Fulton fire service is a city service and Cranick's house was outside city limits, therefore residents outside city limits have to pay $75 per year for coverage (since they are not paying prop taxes). Thus it is a way to opt-in to a socialist service.

So this is not an example of privatization. But it is an example of free-riding. Pay-to-spray fire service (private or public) won't work in densely populated areas because of the massive externalities.

If a human was trapped inside would they have attempted to rescue them? I bet they would have. Anternatively, they could have extinguished it and then sent a bill.
where did you see that the neighbor paid $500?
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Old 01-07-2012, 06:21 PM
 
Location: Northern NJ
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You should move. Or you should fight against the ridiculous property tax system. I've seen people paying $20,000 in property taxes! Schools should be federally funded and standardized. Raise federal taxes on UNEARNED Wall Street (finance, insurance, and real estate sector) incomes, reduce wasteful military spending, get rid of drug company patent monopolies,
How about government doing a lot less? Crony capitalism depends on big government so that there are lots of politicians and officials to get in bed with.

Your solutions seem to be more taxes, more regulation, and more government.

I'd like to see more private education. I think parents who send their kids to private school should get a dollar-for-dollar property tax credit for the tuition paid.
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Old 01-07-2012, 07:01 PM
 
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How about government doing a lot less? Crony capitalism depends on big government so that there are lots of politicians and officials to get in bed with.

Your solutions seem to be more taxes, more regulation, and more government.

I'd like to see more private education. I think parents who send their kids to private school should get a dollar-for-dollar property tax credit for the tuition paid.
Voucers.
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