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Old 01-19-2012, 01:25 PM
 
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honestly, since when does someone who had a private school education come and decide how public schools are supposed to be ran? is his kids even in public school? he's making things more worse than they are. fighting the teachers and all the public officials is NOT going to make things better. how about he come up with a real solution instead of bs'ing around trying to bully people?
arent you contradicting your earlier statement that suggested he cant make decisions regarding public school because he has a private school education?
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Old 01-19-2012, 01:50 PM
 
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FWIW, Christie grew up in Livingston and attended Livingston High School. He then went on to earn his undergrad degree in political science at the University of Delaware. He then earned his law degree and juris doctorate from Seton Hall. So, Christie is essentially the product of public education with the only exception being where he earned his law degree.

Given that he lives in Mendham, it's not like his kids would exactly be let down by the public education system there. He and his wife chose private Catholic school based on the fact they wanted their children to have an education that focused on their religious values.

Do we also assume that Barack Obama has no right to discuss public education in America? While living in Chicago, the Obamas sent their daughters to the University of Chicago Lab School, a private and rather expensive school. As President he sends his children to Sidwell Friends, an exclusive, private school in DC that was also where the Clintons sent their daughter.

If the measure of opinion on public schools is based on using them, then GW Bush was probably the most informative. His wife was a public school teacher and both of his daughters attended public schools at different points. In fact, they both graduated from public high school in Austin.
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Old 01-19-2012, 01:58 PM
 
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how about school vouchers and private schools? One amount of money per kid per year, even across the state. Nothing would be more egalitarian. Furthermore, with only so many schools around, nothing would be as diversity-ifying, as all the kids would get mixed together since there are only so many schools.*

And finally we would break the unnecessary winter-school summer-off cycle that's a holdover from farming days.

In summation people would have CHOICE.

*then again, some people may self-segregate to a certain extent, especially near eastern and asian minorities/immigrants. But this could also be a plus, people could actually enroll their kids in schools that teach their values, which would be a plus in our modern day and age, where I think we've gone too far away from get-married-raise-kids lifestyle and too much into a jersey shore, partying, elitist-self-aggrandizing-manhattan-debutante, whatever you call it, lifestyle. (A lot of) Kids nowadays will (somewhat) easily get physical with someone else, but they're afraid of terms like"girlfriend/boyfriend", as if the term isn't already non-commital enough.
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Old 01-19-2012, 11:39 PM
 
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In summation people would have CHOICE......
The Teacher's Union bosses and their backers in Trenton will NEVER allow for that.
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Old 01-19-2012, 11:42 PM
 
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honestly, since when does someone who had a private school education come and decide how public schools are supposed to be ran? is his kids even in public school? he's making things more worse than they are. .....
In America one can go from a career consisting of being a "community activist" to a short but unremarkable term as US Senator to being considered a viable Chief Executive of the United states.

Go figure.
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Old 01-20-2012, 12:04 PM
 
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NJGOAT: He believes that the social safety nets put in place have underridden the social community that is based on four pillars: family, work, community, faith. While these elements have gotten weaker in all of American society, they have plummeted in poorer and middle class communities. Essentially social welfare replaces the necessity of community, which essentially destroys the community.
No doubt. In NJ churches still do a decent job in inner cities. Note this article by Bob Braun in nj.com. But It's tough to form a community and social groups (whether secular or religious) when the father figures have disappeared. And the Democrats plan of that welfare safety net was supposed to at least keep the families together. But it has failed.

The reasons vary, the most convincing one was the elimination of low skilled factory jobs which lead to high under-skilled male unemployment. It lead to many intangible things like depression, hopelessness and increased domestic violence, thus bringing down women and spiking up the number of single mothers. Enter the gangs which give young males a sense of that community.

One comment criticized Obama for just being a community organizer, but these are the people "on the ground" getting their hands dirty. He didn't work miracles, but if anyone here could turn Trenton or Camden around by working in the community, connecting the skilled to help out, lowering crime, improving family education and health while improving the schools - I'd write your name in for Governor with no reservations.
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