Thanks Gov. Christie for Not Changing NJ's Gun Laws (Newark: purchases, law)
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
Every so often, a psychotic will snap and kill people. Sometimes it will be a gun. Sometimes it will be a bomb. Sometimes it will be a substance. Sometimes it will be fire. Sometimes it will be a carnival. Sometimes it will be a post office. Sometimes it will be a cruise liner. Sometimes it will be wherever a lot of people congregate.
It does not happen frequently, but it always will happen periodically. Usually every few years. That is the nature of human beings on the planet Earth.
What we should not do is engage in stupid hyperbole or consider draconian curtailment of our freedom in a reactionary and irrational attempt to stop what cannot be stopped.
And yes, allowing easy access to concealed weapons permits will increase the chance that a good citizen will be armed and ready when a psychopath strikes. One armed citizen in that theater and we would have a dead Joker instead of a dead 6 year old.
The odds of an untrained civilian taking down an armored nut who just threw a smokebomb and is firing dozens of shots in a darkened theater are practically nil unless he/she was standing right beside Holmes and not jumping under the chairs ducking for cover. Just seconds ago our hypothetical chivalrous gun-toting citizen was sucking on a Coke or scarfing down a tub of popcorn as he relaxed in a movie theater. He also may have thought (like many did) that this clown Holmes was putting on some kind of a show for the Batman premiere when the attack started. The odds were really stacked against everyone that night.
Now if he only had a 10 clip & had to re-load, they might've stood a chance at jumping him
The courts will gut NJ's laws soon enough if its government doesn't want to respect the Second Amendment. A carry license that's impossible for the average person to get will not pass muster with the SCOTUS.
The highest crime rate states...SURPRISE...are red states. Highest divorce and teen pregnancy rates as well with all of that fire & brimstone religion around. Go figure.
How many mass murders have occurred in our lifetimes in NJ? They've happened mostly in states where it's easy to get guns. There was a guy in Trenton, Unruh, who went on a killing spree in the 1940s. Not much in recent times.
while mass murders make bigger headlines, they make up a very small % of the total murders. its so silly that a mass murdering psychopath is what people want to use an an example of why you need to take away peoples guns. creating laws because of the rare occurrences seems very dumb to me, no matter what side of the argument you are on.
while mass murders make bigger headlines, they make up a very small % of the total murders. its so silly that a mass murdering psychopath is what people want to use an an example of why you need to take away peoples guns. creating laws because of the rare occurrences seems very dumb to me, no matter what side of the argument you are on.
Tell that to the parents of these kids.
I'm so old...ahem...that I recall when drinking & driving was treated almost as a joke. That despite the fact that alcohol is involved in something like 1/3 of fatal accidents. Cops used to just follow you home to make sure you didn't hit anything. The public eventually woke up and now it's a taboo to drink & drive.
To me any unnecessary death prevented by either wearing a seatbelt, learning how to swim or regulating the public's access to machine guns is worthwhile.
I'm so old...ahem...that I recall when drinking & driving was treated almost as a joke. That despite the fact that alcohol is involved in something like 1/3 of fatal accidents. Cops used to just follow you home to make sure you didn't hit anything. The public eventually woke up and now it's a taboo to drink & drive.
To me any unnecessary death prevented by either wearing a seatbelt, learning how to swim or regulating the public's access to machine guns is worthwhile.
Prohibition of alcohol worked so wonderfully prohibition of guns would be a great success.
Making the law abiding defenseless will not decrease crimes committed by nutjobs.
The odds of an untrained civilian taking down an armored nut who just threw a smokebomb and is firing dozens of shots in a darkened theater are practically nil unless he/she was standing right beside Holmes and not jumping under the chairs ducking for cover.
From what I heard on the radio, there was someone who was not shot so close to him they were hit by the brass from his shots. So, even granting your claim, an armed civilian COULD indeed have stopped him.
Means little. My AR throws brass twenty feet or more depending on the load. While anything is possible, those patrons were virtually blind between no lights on and the CS. Firing blind could have easily caused more injuries than it stopped.
COULD being the operative word. Someone with a Louisville Slugger could have done a good job. Someone could have tackled him. A million scenarios. This was a well thought out attack and stopping him in the first few seconds just wasn't going to happen.
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.
Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.