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Old 11-07-2012, 11:51 AM
 
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Romney was a moderate and would most definitely comprimise.

Yes, he is a moderate.
He is also a liberal.
And, then for many audiences, he was a staunch conservative.
Take your pick.
This man has done a 180 degree reversal on virtually every issue, to the extent that he was nicknamed "Weathervane Mitt".

In the end, I think that many people--like me--had no idea of what his core values really were.

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Old 11-07-2012, 03:00 PM
 
Location: Northern NJ
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I am happy that gridlock will remain the order of the day for the next 4 years. If I can't have sharply limited government, then government that can get nothing done is the next best thing.
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Old 11-07-2012, 11:39 PM
 
Location: The beautiful Garden State
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Trust me Mitt wasn't the great hope either just thought he would be the lesser of two evils even though you would still have evil.
Repubs need to lighten up a bit and really search long & hard for a candidate they can start grooming now for 4 years from now, hopefully they are not even thinking about Paul Ryan as this person.
But really who in their right mind would want to inherit a war, high unemployment, a tattered shattered economy?
You mean the ones Obama inherited from George W. Bush?

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Old 11-08-2012, 05:35 AM
 
Location: Cape Coral Fl /Randolph NJ
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You mean the ones Obama inherited from George W. Bush?
Been 4 years since that and not too much positive has happened..imo it's gotten much worse....let's see what the next 4 years bring and stuff a sock in the blame game as it's getting really really really old
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Old 11-08-2012, 06:48 AM
 
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I personally thrived under Carter (not because of him but in spite of him, lol) and although I didn't vote for him, I'm confident I'll personally thrive under Obama.

Even in the former Soviet Union, Castro's Cuba, etc, there were/are those that stay in the upper 20%. No different here as far as I'm concerned.

YMMV.
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Old 11-08-2012, 07:30 AM
 
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Yes, he is a moderate.
He is also a liberal.
And, then for many audiences, he was a staunch conservative.
Take your pick.
This man has done a 180 degree reversal on virtually every issue, to the extent that he was nicknamed "Weathervane Mitt".

In the end, I think that many people--like me--had no idea of what his core values really were.

Well then you were fooled by the media. He was never a conservative, hence why the Tea Party had no interest in him. He was and is a moderate. Do your homework next election.
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Old 11-08-2012, 07:39 AM
 
Location: West Orange, NJ
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Trust me Mitt wasn't the great hope either just thought he would be the lesser of two evils even though you would still have evil.
Repubs need to lighten up a bit and really search long & hard for a candidate they can start grooming now for 4 years from now, hopefully they are not even thinking about Paul Ryan as this person.
But really who in their right mind would want to inherit a war, high unemployment, a tattered shattered economy?
Obama the moderate Republican: What the 2012 election should teach the GOP. - Slate Magazine

i think this sums it up pretty well.
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Old 11-08-2012, 07:40 AM
 
Location: Northern NJ
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Well then you were fooled by the media. He was never a conservative, hence why the Tea Party had no interest in him. He was and is a moderate. Do your homework next election.
Correct. Obama and Romney were, and are, two sides of the same coin. The election was between two empty suits, both supporting the same bad ideas. Election day was a non-event as far as I can tell.

In fact, since both have the same bad ideas, it can be argued it is proper to vote for Obama, because he honestly believes in the philosophy of statism, collectivism, and redistribution. Rather than a Romney, who pretends to be something different. Perhaps it is better to have an honest snake, than a snake that will inject its venom while looking the other way.
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Old 11-08-2012, 07:41 AM
 
Location: West Orange, NJ
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Sadly this is the exact type of thinking that allowed a Socialist into the White House for not 1, but now 2 terms. Irreversible damage is done to America. People still think the GOP only is good for the upper rich and screws the middle class is truly a revelation of the lack of understanding by most people but I am not surprised.
worst. socialist. ever.
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Old 11-08-2012, 07:50 AM
 
Location: West Orange, NJ
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So the big question is does Obama still get to blame the previous administration or has that clock run out?
in the exit polls, something like 60% of people still blame Bush for the current state of affairs. I believe 25% of those voters went to Romney, and 75% went to Obama.

Just because it's 4 years later doesn't mean Bush's wrecking of the economy disappears.

I'll tell you what. Let's make a deal. We can stop blaming Bush when Congress agrees to pay for the wars he started, his tax cuts (that Obama extended so he's not free of blame either), and his Medicare Part D plan. Once that is all covered in the next budget, then we've corrected a lot of Bush's major fiscal errors. Did you know that B. Obama moved the war spending from "emergency" appropriations, which is not counted in the deficit, to a budget item? This brought in $1.6T to the national debt (of the $5T of debt accumulated during Obama's term). Did you also know that interest payments on the $10.6T in debt Obama inherited totals about $600B? Add in the unpaid for Medicare Part D - harder to calculate because estimates range wildly...but just add a bit. You quickly realize that about half of the debt accumulated in the past four years was virtually out of the control of the current President - whether it was Obama or McCain.

I admit that I'm disappointed our government didn't do more to correct these things, but they also kinda had their hands full. Falling tax revenues certainly didn't help with the deficit either.

Oh also - did you know that in the 9 months leading up to June, 2012 - China reduced it's holdings of U.S. debt by $150B?
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