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Old 11-21-2012, 05:51 PM
 
Location: a swanky suburb in my fancy pants
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When the next election cycle takes place, I urge you to monitor the NYT's 538 blog.
Nate Silver's projections--beginning several weeks prior to the election--were so accurate as to be almost spooky.

But the NYT's has such a strong left wing bias how can we trust anything in it?
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Old 11-21-2012, 07:42 PM
 
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Those who were prescient enough to monitor the highly-accurate 538.com blog for that last couple of months were not surprised by the election results.
Of course, that didn't include the likes of Sheldon Adelson, the Koch Brothers, Donald Trump, and others who were convinced by Karl Rove to ignore credible poll numbers and to continue to throw huge amounts of money behind the guy who was destined to lose.

While Obama might have picked up a small percentage gain as a result of the super-storm, the reality is that a large percentage of the electorate divined that Mitt Romney has contempt for those who are less fortunate than he and his minions. That fatal "47%" statement and Mitt's post-election whining are in complete convergence on that point.

When the next election cycle takes place, I urge you to monitor the NYT's 538 blog.
Nate Silver's projections--beginning several weeks prior to the election--were so accurate as to be almost spooky.

The wealthy in this country have gotten so brazen that they openly mock the so-called "takers" as Mitt did quite honestly & earnestly in that famous video. They had much more class in the old days to make their money (and pay a much higher tax rate), still get their tax loopholes, play golf & tennis, play the market and enjoy their lives. They didn't find a need to control every damn thing in the country. Imagine a boss telling you who you should vote for! Talk about communist dictatorships.

I think when their taxes are raised again just to Clinton-era levels, they're going to have to go back to the way rich people acted in the past. Everyone's fed up with their baloney. They didn't suffer one iota in this recession, which the rich in large part created by their negligence.
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Old 11-21-2012, 08:04 PM
 
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But the NYT's has such a strong left wing bias how can we trust anything in it?
Nate Silver is an independent who's blog runs under the NYT banner. It existed before the NYT deal, and he signed a contract for a period of time for it to be a part of NYT (through 2014 IIRC), but it's run by him, not NYT.
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Old 11-21-2012, 10:06 PM
 
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Nate Silver is an independent who's blog runs under the NYT banner. It existed before the NYT deal, and he signed a contract for a period of time for it to be a part of NYT (through 2014 IIRC), but it's run by him, not NYT.
If it smells like duck....... The mere fact that he agreed to be associated with such a publication makes me suspect.
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Old 11-21-2012, 11:06 PM
 
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If it smells like duck....... The mere fact that he agreed to be associated with such a publication makes me suspect.
Or you could just look at his results over the past 4 years and notice he's called almost everything right, regardless which side it's better for.
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Old 11-22-2012, 04:31 AM
 
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If it smells like duck....... The mere fact that he agreed to be associated with such a publication makes me suspect.

Makes you suspect...what?
That he is dealing with reality?

Since this super-statistician has consistently been correct with his projections--as opposed to Karl Rove and his buddies on Faux News who deluded themselves--why would you not believe Nate Silver's analyses of the statistics? If Casino Mogul Sheldon Adelson had believed Nate Silver, rather than Karl Rove, he would have saved himself many tens of millions of dollars. (In case you weren't aware of it, none of the candidates whom Adelson was bankrolling--from Rabbi Botox to Mitt Romney--was able to score a win.)

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Old 11-22-2012, 06:00 AM
 
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Hurricane Sandy didn't get Obama re-elected. Mitt Romney being a pathetic candidate got Obama re-elected. History was not on Obama's side when he ran for re-election with such a high national unemployment rate. Nevertheless, Mitt Romney still could not win, because he was such a terrible candidate.

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Old 11-22-2012, 06:16 AM
 
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The wealthy in this country have gotten so brazen that they openly mock the so-called "takers" as Mitt did quite honestly & earnestly in that famous video. They had much more class in the old days to make their money (and pay a much higher tax rate), still get their tax loopholes, play golf & tennis, play the market and enjoy their lives. They didn't find a need to control every damn thing in the country. Imagine a boss telling you who you should vote for! Talk about communist dictatorships.

I think when their taxes are raised again just to Clinton-era levels, they're going to have to go back to the way rich people acted in the past. Everyone's fed up with their baloney. They didn't suffer one iota in this recession, which the rich in large part created by their negligence.
Poverty is a personal problem. Wealth is a personal achievement. Envy separates the two.
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Old 11-23-2012, 08:13 AM
 
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Poverty is a personal problem. Wealth is a personal achievement. Envy separates the two.
Do you think Mitt would be a millionaire if he wasn't born into wealth? Would he have gone to an Ivy league school if daddy wasn't a governor? Would he have avoided the draft if his family wasn't rich? How about half the millionaires in the world, how many of them were just lucky to be born into money?

Yes, people do rise above poverty to become successful, but usually people don't stray far from the socio-economic position in which they are born.

Romney would have been a terrible president. He was an awful governor and a bad American. He would have been nothing more than a puppet to the rich.
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Old 11-23-2012, 10:51 AM
 
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Do you think Mitt would be a millionaire if he wasn't born into wealth? Would he have gone to an Ivy league school if daddy wasn't a governor? Would he have avoided the draft if his family wasn't rich? How about half the millionaires in the world, how many of them were just lucky to be born into money?

Yes, people do rise above poverty to become successful, but usually people don't stray far from the socio-economic position in which they are born.

Romney would have been a terrible president. He was an awful governor and a bad American. He would have been nothing more than a puppet to the rich.
Is there luck in life? Yes. Luck is not injustice. Luck is a simple fact. No victimizing collective actions should be taken to reverse anyone's good or bad luck.

And correct on Romney. He would have been the same bad president we have now more or less. He was a statist, a collectivist, and a redistributionist. Which is what the majority of mediocrity-worshipping Americans now seem to want. Romney would have been Obama-lite. After all, he invented Romneycare, upon which Obamacare was modelled. They both are terrible, awful, miserable examples of the depths to which the American electorate has now sunk. I don't blame the politicians, I blame the people. The People Now Basically Suck philosophically. And they are getting what they ask for, and ultimately deserve.

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