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Old 11-28-2012, 09:03 PM
 
Location: Northern NJ
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you can own the paper but value can fluctuate ... the only value that the dollar has it what it can be traded for which changes everyday so the value on your "dollar" is only as good as what it brings ... if it brings you nothing its not anything if it brought you a bottle of water it was worth a bottle of water ... if it got you a trip to canada it was worth a trip to canada...
It's value is a non-sequitir to its ownership. It remains owned by its earner, regardless of its fluctuations in value. Whatever I can trade it for at different times, it remains mine, as long as I earned it.
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Old 11-29-2012, 09:16 AM
 
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Oh yes, underwriters approved liar loans - at the direction of the government that declared that homeownership was to be expanded to all manner of unqualified miscreants. Who behaved exactly as you would have predicted - they defaulted. Once you allow the government to exert control over private industry, and once government directs that industry to act in certain ways deemed beneficial to the collective, and usually in an effort to buy votes and expand political power, then all misfeasance and malfeasance occuring as a result is the fault and responsibility of the government. C'mon, you are obviously a follower and fan of Lenin and Kant, you must understand that, right?
Marc - I would've expected a patriot like yourself to rush to your congressman or senator or local news channel in 2004 or 2005 when you got wind of the corruption and thievery in your own industry and shouted "Enough with these liar loans! I will not participate in a collectivist movement to give home ownership to people through fraudulent means! (Tears R.E. license in pieces) I have much more integrity than that. Goodbye, corrupt R.E. industry. I'm going to build homes in Mississippi for Habitat for Humanity"
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Old 11-29-2012, 09:37 AM
 
Location: Northern NJ
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Marc - I would've expected a patriot like yourself to rush to your congressman or senator or local news channel in 2004 or 2005 when you got wind of the corruption and thievery in your own industry and shouted "Enough with these liar loans! I will not participate in a collectivist movement to give home ownership to people through fraudulent means! (Tears R.E. license in pieces) I have much more integrity than that. Goodbye, corrupt R.E. industry. I'm going to build homes in Mississippi for Habitat for Humanity"
I prefer to handle the problem by getting the state out of private affairs. Without such involvement, the housing crisis would have been attenuated by the profit motive long before it got out of hand. In any case, I am not repsonsible for the criminal acts of others. We have a justice system to handle that problem.
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Old 12-13-2012, 12:54 AM
 
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You took that risk when you offered his published work as an argument to my position. The politics in that book and his other works are those of statism, collectivism, eco-fascist environmentalism, immigrant rights (whatever that means), social justice (whatever that means), destructive interventionism, and a whole lot of other Occupy-type class warfare bullcrap. I reject all of it. So don't come out of the woodwork with the feigned indignance and play the scorned family card. The veracity and correctness of one's philosophical and political views are not related to their family connections. Support a philosophy because it is rational and moral, not because your "family" member is a proponent. In other words, think for yourself.

By the way I tossed my Father's politics right into the sewer as soon as I was old enough to realize they were ass-backwards. I still loved him, but his views were irrational and wrong, and he probably inherited them without critical analysis from my lovable old Marxist grandfather, who probably got them directly from Mussolini.

By the way public university professors are the LAST place to learn much of anything these days, especially in the Humanities.


hmmm im sure rutgers, penn state , and the ohio state university would love to debate you on the merits of public school professors
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Old 12-13-2012, 12:59 AM
 
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It's value is a non-sequitir to its ownership. It remains owned by its earner, regardless of its fluctuations in value. Whatever I can trade it for at different times, it remains mine, as long as I earned it.
but no one wants just money they want the things it can buy ... if i hand you 30 bucks in monopoly money and said its all yours you might not put it in your wallet ... but once you know that the money can be traded for other things it has value ...


also ... you mentioned we have no civic duty ... and that poor people are getting something for nothing ... if we all enjoy the benefits of civility then why dont we have a civic duty ?? isnt that freeloading



FREELOADER !!!!
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Old 12-13-2012, 09:51 AM
 
Location: Holmdel, NJ
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but no one wants just money they want the things it can buy ... if i hand you 30 bucks in monopoly money and said its all yours you might not put it in your wallet ... but once you know that the money can be traded for other things it has value ...


also ... you mentioned we have no civic duty ... and that poor people are getting something for nothing ... if we all enjoy the benefits of civility then why dont we have a civic duty ?? isnt that freeloading



FREELOADER !!!!
what civic duty do we have an obligation to perform since we are enjoying civility?
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Old 12-13-2012, 04:52 PM
 
Location: Northern NJ
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but no one wants just money they want the things it can buy ... if i hand you 30 bucks in monopoly money and said its all yours you might not put it in your wallet ... but once you know that the money can be traded for other things it has value ...


also ... you mentioned we have no civic duty ... and that poor people are getting something for nothing ... if we all enjoy the benefits of civility then why dont we have a civic duty ?? isnt that freeloading



FREELOADER !!!!
If I were able to understand a word you said, I would have the best response ever.
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