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View Poll Results: Is NJ one of the worst run states?
Yes 22 50.00%
No 22 50.00%
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Old 11-28-2012, 06:35 PM
 
Location: Holmdel, NJ
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but thats part of bein a govt employee everywhere, thats like cutting yo salary
thats why govt workers get paid less usually than private sector cuz of other benefits, including pension
they dont get paid less than their private sector equivalents. public sector pensions should be eliminated. let the employees save on their own. i do not think that should be limited to new employees. past employees should also see major cuts from the government portion of their pension. they are free to contribute whatever they want from their own salary.
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Old 11-28-2012, 07:11 PM
 
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they dont get paid less than their private sector equivalents. public sector pensions should be eliminated. let the employees save on their own. i do not think that should be limited to new employees. past employees should also see major cuts from the government portion of their pension. they are free to contribute whatever they want from their own salary.
they do
there is no way u can make mad money at a govt career even if ur brilliant
entry-mid level salaries might be similar but higher level-always more money in the corporate world
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Old 11-28-2012, 08:20 PM
 
Location: Holmdel, NJ
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they do
there is no way u can make mad money at a govt career even if ur brilliant
entry-mid level salaries might be similar but higher level-always more money in the corporate world
most people in the private sector arent making "mad money." the fact of life is that government employees (on average because there is a great deal of variation) not only have higher salaries than their private sector counterparts but their benefits are worth much more.

just do a little google searching, this isnt a new issue.
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Old 11-28-2012, 08:43 PM
 
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most people in the private sector arent making "mad money." the fact of life is that government employees (on average because there is a great deal of variation) not only have higher salaries than their private sector counterparts but their benefits are worth much more.

just do a little google searching, this isnt a new issue.
i still think the abuse and mismanagement is responsible, not the salaries or benefits themselves
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Old 11-28-2012, 08:47 PM
 
Location: West Orange, NJ
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the states that get scored better in studies like this are the ones that are just getting their economies going. they have no legacy costs, and they have much less infrastructure to support.

#3 ranked education system in the country
one of the best public transportation states in the country
i think we have it pretty good here, but yes, there is much room for improvement
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Old 11-28-2012, 08:51 PM
 
Location: West Orange, NJ
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NJ is a financial disaster. It has HUGE debts and pension obligations, a heavy tax burden, tired infrastructure, and deeply imbedded corruption. We the taxpayers are to blame. We continually vote into office very bad leaders. Corzine was a Wall Street thief and Christie doesn't have a chance in a million of fixing NJ's financial problems. Sit back and watch the entire thing go down in flames. 91.6% debt ratio is sick and unsustainable. I wish they would jail some of these politicians. How does Corzine sink MF Global and still walk around a free man???
Capitalism!
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Old 11-28-2012, 08:58 PM
 
Location: West Orange, NJ
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they dont get paid less than their private sector equivalents. public sector pensions should be eliminated. let the employees save on their own. i do not think that should be limited to new employees. past employees should also see major cuts from the government portion of their pension. they are free to contribute whatever they want from their own salary.
yes they do, actually.
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Old 11-28-2012, 09:01 PM
 
Location: West Orange, NJ
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most people in the private sector arent making "mad money." the fact of life is that government employees (on average because there is a great deal of variation) not only have higher salaries than their private sector counterparts but their benefits are worth much more.

just do a little google searching, this isnt a new issue.
yeah - do a little google searching - it's a manufactured issue. government workers are typically highly educated and have security clearance. a private security worker or contractor always makes more than a government security officer or military employee. engineers make more outside of government. auditors make WAY more outside of government. pharmacists make WAY more outside of government. doctors make more at private hospitals than VA hospitals. virtually every single job that exists in government, one can make more in private.

it's the entire reason why benefits were better - to attract people.
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Old 11-28-2012, 09:11 PM
 
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yeah - do a little google searching - it's a manufactured issue. government workers are typically highly educated and have security clearance. a private security worker or contractor always makes more than a government security officer or military employee. engineers make more outside of government. auditors make WAY more outside of government. pharmacists make WAY more outside of government. doctors make more at private hospitals than VA hospitals. virtually every single job that exists in government, one can make more in private.

it's the entire reason why benefits were better - to attract people.
exactly
thats the reason DC area got so wealthy and expensive recently-the contractors, not the govt workers
govt wouldnt give em all these benefits if it wasn't necessary to keep them from leaving
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Old 11-28-2012, 09:25 PM
 
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instead of blaming the govt workers who jus tryin to get by like eryone else, there should be more audits, control and accountability
nj transit jus lost hundreds of millions cuz for some reason many trains were left in flood prone zones and got destroyed, and now nobody is held accountable
things like that cost us more than little govt workers who are jus doing their job
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