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Old 03-07-2013, 02:47 PM
 
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East St Louis poverty rate: 38.6%
Camden poverty: 35.9%

East St. Louis murder rate(2011): 92.3 murders per 100,000
Camden murder rate(2011): 60.6 murders per 100,000

East St. Louis murder rate average(1999-2011): 69 murders per 100,000
Camden murder rate average(1999-2011): 45.75 murders per 100,000

East St. Louis unemployment rate: 18.5%
Camden unemployment rate: 18.8%

East St. Louis is even worse. East St. Louis has a murder rate that is frequently worse than Camden's. The poverty rate is higher than in Camden. The statistic I posted came from city-data. The most recent estimate I know of puts East St. Louis at a poverty rate around 43.7%. The unemployment rate in East St. Louis is only ever so slightly lower than Camden, but barely. East St. Louis has another problem. East St. Louis has one of the highest rates of pollution in the USA. ESL has one of the highest rates of lead in the air, and high rates of ozone and sulfur pollution. East St. Louis is surrounded by chemical plants belching pollutants into the air. Because these plants sit within their own municipalities, the city can't really do much about it. These plants are technically not in East St. Louis, but the city gets polluted just the same.

Asthma and the inner city: East St. Louis children struggle with life-threatening disease — Environmental Health News
Toxic waste and race: A dangerous blend
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Old 03-07-2013, 03:10 PM
 
Location: The beautiful Garden State
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Have to be careful if you do that now in Paterson. There are now street cameras on many corners. Paterson is like one Big Brother experiment. The purpose is to catch criminals (on paper) but they will send you a ticket in the mail if you run a red light. Of course, if you could prove that you were being harassed, you might be able to fight it.

I used to have to do field work in Camden, and while stopped at a light, the car in front of me had his rear window smashed out with a tire iron (this was not a parked car, but a car stopped at a light), the thief grabbed two speakers or something in a box on the rear deck and took off. It happened in 1 or 2 seconds, at this intersection in North Camden:

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I was working in this general vicinity, the absolute most dangerous neighborhood in NJ, in my opinion, North Camden:

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I've heard that Camden is very bad. I've also heard that Irvington has an even higher crime rate per capita, but it is not included in most statistics because it only has around 53,000 people (there were about 60,000 in 2000 but residents are fleeing from the city.)

Do they attack cars at intersections in Irvington?
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Old 03-07-2013, 03:11 PM
 
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East St Louis poverty rate: 38.6%
Camden poverty: 35.9%

East St. Louis murder rate(2011): 92.3 murders per 100,000
Camden murder rate(2011): 60.6 murders per 100,000

East St. Louis murder rate average(1999-2011): 69 murders per 100,000
Camden murder rate average(1999-2011): 45.75 murders per 100,000

East St. Louis unemployment rate: 18.5%
Camden unemployment rate: 18.8%

East St. Louis is even worse. East St. Louis has a murder rate that is frequently worse than Camden's. The poverty rate is higher than in Camden. The statistic I posted came from city-data. The most recent estimate I know of puts East St. Louis at a poverty rate around 43.7%. The unemployment rate in East St. Louis is only ever so slightly lower than Camden, but barely. East St. Louis has another problem. East St. Louis has one of the highest rates of pollution in the USA. ESL has one of the highest rates of lead in the air, and high rates of ozone and sulfur pollution. East St. Louis is surrounded by chemical plants belching pollutants into the air. Because these plants sit within their own municipalities, the city can't really do much about it. These plants are technically not in East St. Louis, but the city gets polluted just the same.

Asthma and the inner city: East St. Louis children struggle with life-threatening disease — Environmental Health News
Toxic waste and race: A dangerous blend
Obviously based on the data East St. Louis is worse, but with a population of 27,000 it doesn't meet the definition of "city" that is used in the rankings. I think you need a population of at least 50,000 to be considered in the "city rankings".
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Old 03-07-2013, 03:13 PM
 
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Camden : Philadelphia :: Gary : Chicago :: East St. Louis : St. Louis

What do Camden, Gary and East St. Louis have in common? Three things...

1. They're all post-industrial ghetto ****holes.
2. They're all extensions of nearby major cities.
3. They're all located in different states than the central cities that they're near.
Interesting. One other thing that they all have in common. They all lie to the east of the "parent city". Given that wind blows primarily west to east, that means that when the core cities were all industrial centers, those towns were all located "down wind".
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Old 03-07-2013, 03:51 PM
 
Location: Hollywood Fl, Maplewood Nj
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Do they attack cars at intersections in Irvington?

My cousin was an Irvington Police and walked a beat in the 80s and 90s, while I lived in the next town over in Maplewood..

Irvington has gotten really bad , I was just back there in September..

Now they don't go up to cars at intersections and harass you but you will get car jacked..

But the Shootings and Stabbings are on the rise along with your Breaking and Entering.. Car theft is gotten bad there..

A lot of businesses moved out, its a shame too
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Old 03-07-2013, 04:12 PM
 
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Obviously based on the data East St. Louis is worse, but with a population of 27,000 it doesn't meet the definition of "city" that is used in the rankings. I think you need a population of at least 50,000 to be considered in the "city rankings".
That is the thing. It doesn't consider places with populations as small as East St. Louis. My point was that as bad as Camden is, there are some places even worse.
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Old 03-07-2013, 04:55 PM
 
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My cousin was an Irvington Police and walked a beat in the 80s and 90s, while I lived in the next town over in Maplewood..

Irvington has gotten really bad , I was just back there in September..

Now they don't go up to cars at intersections and harass you but you will get car jacked..

But the Shootings and Stabbings are on the rise along with your Breaking and Entering.. Car theft is gotten bad there..

A lot of businesses moved out, its a shame too
yeah, Ivrington is real bad. I used to be up there alot because I lived near by. People are leaving at a large rate, there is only 53k people left
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Old 03-07-2013, 05:47 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia, PA
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I can think of places worse than Philadelphia. I know there are problems in Philadelphia, but to say Philadelphia is the worst big city in America is beyond stretch. Detroit is truly the worst big city. The economy there is much worse than Philadephia, half of the city is abandoned and vacant, Detroit just came out of a corruption scandal with Kwame Kilpatrick a few years ago, not to mention there is a current possibility that Detroit could go into state receivership if it doesn't get its act together. Detroit's population went from 1.5 million in 1950 to 711,700 in 2011. Detroit has lost more than half of its population within 60 years. Detroit is ranked as THE most dangerous city in America. And it is quite dirty in many parts of the city.
Don't bother responding. Go back and look through the thread. This is the second time he posted this. He's a troll and constantly bashes Philadelphia. He only does it so he can get a reaction out of people.
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Old 03-07-2013, 09:21 PM
 
Location: Deep in the Woods
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I've heard that Camden is very bad. I've also heard that Irvington has an even higher crime rate per capita, but it is not included in most statistics because it only has around 53,000 people (there were about 60,000 in 2000 but residents are fleeing from the city.)

Do they attack cars at intersections in Irvington?
I tell myself that the guy that got robbed knew the robber. Because I was so nervous driving around this neighborhood. The streets are so narrow and the burned out homes are right there, on the street. Drug deals going down in plain sight, just feet from your car. Its very imposing and right in your face. When cars are in front of you, and behind you, you are literally trapped on some of these streets, and many of them are too narrow to even fit a car without driving on someones sidewalk:

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Location: Philadelphia,New Jersey, NYC!
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