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Old 08-08-2013, 01:20 PM
 
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don't want to rehash everything that's already been said, but here's a couple that stick out to me:

+ a good, diverse population (and i don't just mean culturally / ethnicities. since you're close to big cities like NYC, there's a ton of young working professionals. there's also a lot of families with kids, etc. this is in sharp contrast to other parts of the US, where you'll have a lot of one or the other).

+ if you're into the nightlife scene, bars and clubs close at 3am (not 2am like most other parts of the US)

+ very good mass transit system (relatively speaking - I'm sure people who get stranded on the NJ Transit train will disagree, but at least you have the option of buses / trains to work)

+ cheap gas

+ lots and lots to do within a 2 hr drive from anywhere in the state (beaches, casinos, skiing, Broadway, hiking, camping, kayaking)

- high taxes and cost of living

- lots of traffic. urban sprawl has created traffic nightmares almost everywhere (even in what used to be small lightly populated areas)

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Old 08-08-2013, 01:34 PM
 
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More Pros
-Great Restaurants (diverse restaurants as well)
-Many small downtowns with their own character and image. Something you can't just recreate from scratch very well (Ridgewood, Summit, Morristown, Montclair etc.)
-Great High School Athletics, especially football
-Ivy League College (Princeton) and overall people here are well educated and cultured
-Largest collection of victorian houses (Cape May)
-Beach towns with awesome sand and great water
-Appalachian Trail and other areas for great hiking
-Variety and opportunity in the job market
-Easier to jump socioeconomic groups here than many other places. Grow up middle class, get great job in NYC and you can jump to Upper Middle Class. That's not going to happen as easy in Alabama or Arkansas.
-NYC Skyline Views

Cons
-Newark is a joke of a major city
-The urban sprawl surrounding Newark is gross and most people try and avoid it or just drive through it on the Parkway and Route 280. It's almost like lost land in the state. It's a shame
-New Jersey doesn't support its state school Rutgers like it should. Rutgers seems to thrive and do well despite New Jersey getting in the way of growth and progress
-All the other ones everyone else mentioned
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Old 08-08-2013, 01:47 PM
 
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Old 08-08-2013, 01:54 PM
 
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Many of these have already been mentioned but this is my list (as a person living here over 35 years):

Pros:
- Close proximity to 2 major cities: NY and Philly
- Diverse terrain: Beaches, mountains, farmland, urban areas all within a 2 hour drive from any point
- Diverse population ethnically
- More employment opportunities available than most other places in the US
- A variety of types of cuisines are available within most local areas
- Decent shopping and no sales tax on clothing
- Relatively low crime in many areas (but some areas i.e. Camden are some of the worst in the country)

Cons:
- Northern NJ is too crowded
- Expensive property taxes, no make that absurdly ridiculous property taxes
- The weather is either too cold/hot or too rainy/snowy more than 9 months of the year.
- Quality of homes for the money is low
- Corrupt government/law enforcement at all levels
- Many of the stereotypes of NJ have some truth to them. There are fair amounts of people who live here who embody the types of people you see on reality shows
- No major city of our own
- Difficult to start and maintain a small business due to extensive fees/permits/licensing/laws at all levels
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Old 08-08-2013, 03:34 PM
 
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Also for such a small state, North Jersey and South Jersey are like different places. you can even see this from the pros and cons in this thread. South Jersey has less in common with North Jersey than probably other states.

Pros
Taylor Ham (North Jersey)
Bagels
Breakfast / Brunch
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Old 08-08-2013, 05:33 PM
 
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More Pros
-Great Restaurants (diverse restaurants as well)
-Many small downtowns with their own character and image. Something you can't just recreate from scratch very well (Ridgewood, Summit, Morristown, Montclair etc.)
-Great High School Athletics, especially football
-Ivy League College (Princeton) and overall people here are well educated and cultured
-Largest collection of victorian houses (Cape May)
-Beach towns with awesome sand and great water
-Appalachian Trail and other areas for great hiking
-Variety and opportunity in the job market
-Easier to jump socioeconomic groups here than many other places. Grow up middle class, get great job in NYC and you can jump to Upper Middle Class. That's not going to happen as easy in Alabama or Arkansas.
-NYC Skyline Views

Cons
-Newark is a joke of a major city
-The urban sprawl surrounding Newark is gross and most people try and avoid it or just drive through it on the Parkway and Route 280. It's almost like lost land in the state. It's a shame
-New Jersey doesn't support its state school Rutgers like it should. Rutgers seems to thrive and do well despite New Jersey getting in the way of growth and progress
-All the other ones everyone else mentioned

Just because you may avoid the urban sprawl around Newark doesn't mean 'most' people do. In fact, considering that area is an enormous job-center for the state (and includes Hudson county's Gold Coast) your point makes no sense. That's why North NJ is pretty dense, even suburban-style towns like Montclair, Belleville etc. are pretty dense which are pros in my book

But if you want Newark to be more of a major city then urban sprawl is a by-product of an area this size. The only non-desirable urban sprawling lands surrounding Newark I would say are Irvington, tiny Orange, some parts of E.O. Urbanity is what makes NJ more tightly-knit than South NJ.

Pros of being dense means decent rail transport for the region (could be better, but could be much much worse too). Wealth belt, educated population is good for the work force. Entertainment: Newark arena ranked #8 on planet Earth.

Cons: well, the cost of living. Over-reliance on property taxes, which a place like Newark loses out on b/c of high industry footprint, thus making it reliant on state aid (like most larger NJ cities).

Also, while our cities made great strides in recent years, especially JC, they still need some work.

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Technically speaking, Newark and JC are major cities, which really isn't hard to do (Richmond, Orlando, Norfolk, Pittsburgh etc). But as mentioned there aren't any real 'super' cities in NJ (Seattle, Chicago, Phoenix etc). Newark isn't setup that way, even at its largest it was shy 500k.

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Old 08-08-2013, 07:13 PM
 
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Most people do avoid the urban sprawl around Newark. We must run in different circles and have a different perspective on New Jersey. Downtown Newark is a job center for the state. That is about 1 square mile of something halfway decent and the only decent thing is really jobs. The building architecture, streelife, and nightlife is zilch. Orange, East Orange, Belleville, Irvington are not desirable towns in NJ and are not "pros". I'll give Belleville a bit of a pass but the others are actually cons. What makes North Jersey desirable are the good towns in Hudson, Essex, Bergen, Union and Passaic counties. Your right in that it's not a large area. About 40 square miles or so but i think that's what people refer to as the armpit of NJ to quote common stereotypes of the entire state. Luckily the Watchung Mountains were able to reign in the sprawl which gave rise to the areas that make NJ desirable.

Montclair, South Orange, Glen Ridge, Essex Fells, Caldwell, Summit, Madison are what sprung up right outside the Newark sprawl.

Also the "gold coast" is not part of the Newark sprawl i'm referring to. That is just a byproduct of being close to New York City and has nothing to do with New Jersey or newark. Also the only really above average waterfront on the gold coast is Hoboken and Liberty State Park. Jersey City's waterfront is half baked and the waterfront in West New York and Edgewater is just the backyards of luxury condos.
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Old 08-08-2013, 10:16 PM
 
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Most people do avoid the urban sprawl around Newark. We must run in different circles and have a different perspective on New Jersey. Downtown Newark is a job center for the state. That is about 1 square mile of something halfway decent and the only decent thing is really jobs. The building architecture, streelife, and nightlife is zilch.
A huge number of people LIVE in that urban sprawl. Relatively few of them use city-data however.
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Old 08-08-2013, 10:44 PM
 
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A huge number of people LIVE in that urban sprawl. Relatively few of them use city-data however.
Absolutely and the majority of them are honest hardworking people. This list is talking about the "pros" of New Jersey and nothing in those towns is on a tourist attraction flyer or a best of restaurants list or a top 100 schools in NJ list or any other New Jersey list. That's the point of this post.

I called those areas "cons" and that was a bit harsh since people do live there. I'll redact that comment, however those areas certainly aren't pros of the state. If all of NJ resembled Newark I don't think any of us would be on NJ city data forum b/c we would have moved to Connecticut.
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Old 08-08-2013, 10:52 PM
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For the benefit of out-of-staters who may be confused by the, "Joisey", reference, please allow me to explain.
Because no living people in this state actually pronounce, "Jersey", as, "Joisey", when we hear that grating pronunciation, we know that it was uttered by a crude person from another state who has likely never visited New Jersey.

I will grant you that the likes of Leo Gorcey and Huntz Hall did talk about, "Joisey", in their Dead End Kids/Gas House Kids/East Side Kids movies of the 1940s, but they are long dead--as is that pronunciation. There were also white trash types in Jersey City who talked like that (and who pronounced, "toilet", as, "terlet", and who pronounced, "oil", as, "earl"), but, like Messrs Gorcey and Hall, they have been dead and buried for decades.

The best way to identify yourself as a boob is to use that ridiculous pronunciation, even though some of us who live here do occasionally use it to mock the uninformed from out-of-state. The comic effect can be pleasing, even if only New Jersey residents actually get the joke.

My Nana was from Jersey City and said terlet and earl.(she was born in 1905) BUT, I can assure you....she was not white trash! I lived in NJ (central) from 1961-2003. I moved back from 2011 to October 2012. I was shocked how different it was in the time I was away. It is too expensive now for me....I am happy to visit on vacations to N. Wildwood, but you know the old saying....you can never go home? I tend to agree.

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