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Old 08-23-2013, 07:22 AM
 
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according to Wikipedia, the vzb has 190k people crossing it daily. im not sure what to use as the average toll price given the ezpass discounts and more expensive trucks, so lets use $12. that's $832 million annually. the bridge was built in 1964 at a cost of $320 million. im not sure where you guys can even consider that these bridges are anything but cash cows for the government.

and when it comes to determining the cost you pay for schools, you use all the time you are paying property taxes anywhere. whether its nj or somewhere else, as long as you are alive and paying for a place to live; you are paying to send kids to school (yours or someone elses). sure, many people will move to florida and pay lower taxes but I have no idea how to account for that so unless someone can; I don't think we can use "brady math" which is where you throw out a concept and label it math.
in talking about the bayonne bridge, there are other factors involved. read up on it. or not. don't care.
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Old 09-23-2013, 10:19 AM
 
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409 Tuckerton borough Ocean
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416 Oaklyn borough Camden
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419 Stratford borough Camden
420 Elmwood Park borough Bergen
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422 Palmyra borough Burlington
423 Upper Deerfield township Cumberland
424 South Toms River borough Ocean
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426 Clifton city Passaic
427 Bordentown township Burlington
427 Pennsville township Salem
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430 North Brunswick township Middlesex
431 Woodland Park borough Passaic
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433 Greenwich township Gloucester
434 North Bergen township Hudson
435 Merchantville borough Camden
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437 Manchester township Ocean
438 Maple Shade township Burlington
439 Bayonne city Hudson
440 Perth Amboy city Middlesex
441 Ogdensburg borough Sussex
442 Jamesburg borough Middlesex
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452 City of Orange township Essex
453 Riverside township Burlington
454 Gloucester City Camden
455 Union Beach borough Monmouth
456 Bridgeton city Cumberland
457 Ventnor City Atlantic
458 Little Egg Harbor township Ocean
459 Bogota borough Bergen
460 Union township Union
461 Magnolia borough Camden
462 New Brunswick city Middlesex
463 Ewing township Mercer
463 Glassboro borough Gloucester
465 Jersey City Hudson
466 Penns Grove borough Salem
467 Kearny town Hudson
468 Mount Ephraim borough Camden
469 Neptune City borough Monmouth
470 Pine Hill borough Camden
471 Asbury Park city Monmouth
471 Somerville borough Somerset
473 Washington township Warren
474 Paulsboro borough Gloucester
475 Lawnside borough Camden
476 Pohatcong township Warren
477 North Plainfield borough Somerset
478 Salem city Salem
479 Bellmawr borough Camden
480 Burlington city Burlington
481 Phillipsburg town Warren
482 Clementon borough Camden
483 East Newark borough Hudson
484 Hillside township Union
485 Haledon borough Passaic
486 Pennsauken township Camden
487 Bound Brook borough Somerset
488 Linden city Union
489 Lindenwold borough Camden
490 Waterford township Camden
491 Runnemede borough Camden
492 Plainfield city Union
493 Prospect Park borough Passaic
494 Winslow township Camden
495 Irvington township Essex
496 Berlin township Camden
497 Buena Vista township Atlantic
498 Guttenberg town Hudson
499 Trenton city Mercer
500 Rahway city Union
501 Chesilhurst borough Camden
502 Union City Hudson
503 East Orange city Essex
504 Paterson city Passaic
505 Belvidere town Warren
506 Newark city Essex
507 Harrison town Hudson
508 Downe township Cumberland
509 Brooklawn borough Camden
510 Beverly city Burlington
511 Atlantic City Atlantic
512 Woodlynne borough Camden
513 Pleasantville city Atlantic
514 Egg Harbor City Atlantic
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Old 09-23-2013, 10:46 AM
 
Location: Vermont
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Well Oakland is on the (original) list.... you don't need half a million there.
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Old 09-23-2013, 11:19 AM
 
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Camden above my hometown of Bayonne?! LMAO Camden above Phillipsburg? Camden above Bogota? Camden above Jamesburg? Camden above...well just about any town below it?! I love a good laugh.
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Old 09-23-2013, 11:20 AM
 
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9 Princeton township Mercer
52 Princeton borough Mercer

Voters in Princeton Township voted to consolidate with Princeton Borough, a change that was effective on January 1, 2013. I wonder why the magazine split Princeton in half on the list and there's a big gap between the two.
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Old 09-23-2013, 11:22 AM
 
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Camden above my hometown of Bayonne?! LMAO Camden above Phillipsburg? Camden above Bogota? Camden above Jamesburg? Camden above...well just about any town below it?! I love a good laugh.
Agree. Camden above anything doesn't make any sense at all...none. Above little old Jamesburg??
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Old 09-23-2013, 11:26 AM
 
Location: NJ
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Agree. Camden above anything doesn't make any sense at all...none. Above little old Jamesburg??
that might be the most egregious on the list below Camden!
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Old 09-23-2013, 11:31 AM
 
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I think the list used things like tax rates and costs of homes to factor into it's rating as well as school test scores, so I guess Camden may have done better on some of those than the other towns.
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Old 09-23-2013, 12:48 PM
 
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in talking about the bayonne bridge, there are other factors involved. read up on it. or not. don't care.
my point wouldnt have changed. whether or not the bayonne bridge project is really needed doesnt change the fact that drivers pay for the cost of bridges and those bridges turn into cash cows for the government while public transit is a loss.

this is a funny topic how you have some people that seem to think that nobody is paying for the cost of the services provided to them. clearly those services are being paid for, so if the users arent paying for them; who is? ill add that just because government doesnt directly bill you for the services or they dont make you pay it all at once doesnt mean you arent paying for the service and then some.

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Old 09-23-2013, 06:21 PM
 
Location: Rutgers '17
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Camden over Pennsauken makes me lol.

So does Irvington over Trenton, Rahway, Newark, and Belvidere.

Egg Harbor City is pretty crap, but I wouldn't say it's the worst.
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