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Old 04-28-2014, 09:04 PM
 
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When you look at that 61% and start blaming teacher or schools, why not blame the kids? Educating the kids is what cost money. If no kids existed you wouldn't need teachers to teach. Dont like the high cost of education? Ok then blame the special needs kids who cost much more then the average. Is that fair or the right thing to do?
You know that's completely illogical, right?

You can't blame the kids when adults who never ran their own business are voted in to run school systems and their budgets - and don't see it as their money: it's someone else's and it's just fine to spend it because it won't affect their take-home pay or their lifestyle.
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Old 04-28-2014, 09:04 PM
 
Location: New York City
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The last time I replied to a City Data thread on this subject and said police were overpaid and teachers deserve more than cops, the moderators deleted my post.
I support freedom of speech, but it would be hard for you to speak freely without the protection the policemen provide every day.
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Old 04-28-2014, 09:16 PM
 
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Lets all be honest for one minute here. NO "public' servant teacher, cop, garbage man whatever should have any pension even close to 100K. They need to cap these insane pensions once and for all. I say 65k is the most anybody can earn. Don't like it? Tough go do something else. Not to mention senate bill 883 which eliminates a lot of problems as well.
The bottom line is that unions and pensions need to go away.

Those who have the skills to maintain a job without a union/tenure backing them shouldn't be afraid of managing their own retirement.

Let them be free to invest their money for their retirement how they see fit. Like the rest of us.

Why do they need so much (future financial) protection?

They chose their career, they weren't forced in to it.

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Old 04-28-2014, 09:59 PM
 
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Wow, first its Christie versus cops and firemen and teachers and public employees. And now we have teachers versus cops. So if u bring it up, i'll bite. I didn't get summers off, holidays off, christmas week off, easter week off, and so on and so forth. We got 2 weeks vacation off in the summer after 5 years on. I had to work the midnight shift for 11 years when I started and I needed 22 years on to work the day shift. WE WORKED weekends and holidays. Yes cops are decently compensated, but when u were home sleeping I was working midnights in the city. Have a nice day Tom.
I have to agree with you here. It boggles my mind when teachers complain about hours and their job in general (and they do! all the time, least the ones I know)… I mean come on. Teachers get summers off and multiple weeklong breaks, with additional 3 to 4 day weekends here and there. And then you'll find some gym teacher who has been working for 40 years making over 110k a year (happened in my town), complaining about their job while picketing outside the school in the morning for all the kids to see chanting about Governor Christie (again, happened in my town). Please.

I know people who became teachers just so they could get all that time off, particularly summers.

At the same time, though, many cops in nice, quiet, wealthy NJ towns also make too much money for their job IMO, same with firemen. I think we could merge police and fire departments in some areas to cut down on the amount of people we're paying to sit around and wait for a murder to occur… every 5 years. I know I'm simplifying their jobs here, but let's not pretend being a Cranford cop and being a Camden or Newark cop is even remotely the same thing.

Cranford, Garwood, and Winfield Park (look it up if you haven't heard of it… tiny glorified trailer park in Union County) each have their own police departments. I'd propose something like a merge of the 3, because Garwood and especially Winfield are tiny, so why can't Cranford cover the two, since we all border each other? This is the type of stuff I would like to see happen. Less cops and departments because some areas simply don't need their own police or fire departments - which is something these towns should be proud of if you ask me. Winfield also has its own elementary and middle school, for a town of almost 1500 people… there were 150 students a few years ago… why is this necessary? So we can pay more teachers when those kids could seamlessly just merge with Linden or Cranford or Clark? Just my two cents.

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Old 04-29-2014, 05:35 AM
 
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I support freedom of speech, but it would be hard for you to speak freely without the protection the Constitution provides every day.
FYP. Cops are actually notoriously inept at judging free speech & assembly issues.
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Old 04-29-2014, 05:40 AM
 
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The bottom line is that unions and pensions need to go away.

Those who have the skills to maintain a job without a union/tenure backing them shouldn't be afraid of managing their own retirement.

Let them be free to invest their money for their retirement how they see fit. Like the rest of us.

Why do they need so much (future financial) protection?

They chose their career, they weren't forced in to it.
You realize the avg 401k account balance is only like $35k, right? 401ks were designed to be a supplemental plan for executives not the only plan for millions of regular employees. A combo pension/401k is the best option but fewer & fewer firms offer pensions.
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Old 04-29-2014, 05:55 AM
 
Location: New Jersey/Florida
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When you look at that 61% and start blaming teacher or schools, why not blame the kids? Educating the kids is what cost money. If no kids existed you wouldn't need teachers to teach. Dont like the high cost of education? Ok then blame the special needs kids who cost much more then the average. Is that fair or the right thing to do?
I got roped and dragged into this thread and bought this up because of the bashes by ex school workers that post here. They started the bashing and I threw a few stats out. Just look at the title of the OP, I guess they got tired of fighting with Christie so now they have to attack cops.
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Old 04-29-2014, 06:38 AM
 
Location: Sneads Ferry NC/Randolph NJ/Cape Coral FL
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When you look at that 61% and start blaming teacher or schools, why not blame the kids? Educating the kids is what cost money. If no kids existed you wouldn't need teachers to teach. Dont like the high cost of education? Ok then blame the special needs kids who cost much more then the average. Is that fair or the right thing to do?
Oh just stop

No...your school taxes do not just support your school, they are also disbursed amongst the infamous Abbott School districts, in the towns that do not get enough tax revenue to support the schools.
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Old 04-29-2014, 06:52 AM
 
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I support freedom of speech, but it would be hard for you to speak freely without the protection the policemen provide every day.
This made me laugh , cops are nothing but thugs that suppress the citizens of their rights daily. The Constitution is what protects everyone , respect it.
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Old 04-29-2014, 06:55 AM
 
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aedubber- it never counted for PFRS-never

Sawdustmaker that is true the towns do not pay the contractor pays. Those earnings also do not count towards the pension.
Not what I have been under the impression and been told. So who eats the bill when paving companies and PSE&G are doing work ?

I am pretty positive that cops were able to jack up their pension by massive over time , I could be wrong so I will wait for you to provide me data.
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