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Old 04-27-2014, 10:44 PM
 
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I feel like a lot of the inequalities between parts of Newark (near New York) and Camden (near Phillie) are driven by rightwing and somewhat Republican-ish leanings in the state that result in not enough revitalization and state funding to help the poor low income jersey inner urban cities

The solution to the problem is a more Liberal and left of center agenda for the state.
What I mean by this is higher property taxes in affluent neighborhoods based on surcharges that can be added to assessed value, then offset by community service volunteering credit hours ...so one can avoid these surcharges...but if they choose not to volunteer their time, they get the new surcharge

The surcharges would allow Trenton to fund development and cultural revitalization techniques in downtown Newark with urban planning student groups who mobilize and organize Newark community grassroots movements

We would also have volunteer groups from Rutgers and Princeton perhaps...and get some public recreational programs flowing in Camden as well in South Jersey

I think NJ has gone a little too Right of center in recent years and this is explaining some inequality that can be resolved by a more progressive direction for the garden state
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Old 04-27-2014, 11:08 PM
 
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I feel like a lot of the inequalities between parts of Newark (near New York) and Camden (near Phillie) are driven by rightwing and somewhat Republican-ish leanings in the state that result in not enough revitalization and state funding to help the poor low income jersey inner urban cities

The solution to the problem is a more Liberal and left of center agenda for the state.
What I mean by this is higher property taxes in affluent neighborhoods based on surcharges that can be added to assessed value, then offset by community service volunteering credit hours ...so one can avoid these surcharges...but if they choose not to volunteer their time, they get the new surcharge

The surcharges would allow Trenton to fund development and cultural revitalization techniques in downtown Newark with urban planning student groups who mobilize and organize Newark community grassroots movements

We would also have volunteer groups from Rutgers and Princeton perhaps...and get some public recreational programs flowing in Camden as well in South Jersey

I think NJ has gone a little too Right of center in recent years and this is explaining some inequality that can be resolved by a more progressive direction for the garden state

The idea that New Jersey is a conservative state in any way, shape, or form is laughable. Not too many states in this country have more regulation or higher taxes. Maybe California or New York, and that's about it. I'm not trying to be mean, I'm just being honest.
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Old 04-27-2014, 11:35 PM
 
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I feel like a lot of the inequalities between parts of Newark (near New York) and Camden (near Phillie) are driven by rightwing and somewhat Republican-ish leanings in the state that result in not enough revitalization and state funding to help the poor low income jersey inner urban cities

The solution to the problem is a more Liberal and left of center agenda for the state.
What I mean by this is higher property taxes in affluent neighborhoods based on surcharges that can be added to assessed value, then offset by community service volunteering credit hours ...so one can avoid these surcharges...but if they choose not to volunteer their time, they get the new surcharge

The surcharges would allow Trenton to fund development and cultural revitalization techniques in downtown Newark with urban planning student groups who mobilize and organize Newark community grassroots movements

We would also have volunteer groups from Rutgers and Princeton perhaps...and get some public recreational programs flowing in Camden as well in South Jersey

I think NJ has gone a little too Right of center in recent years and this is explaining some inequality that can be resolved by a more progressive direction for the garden state
There is no such thing as state funding. There is taking money from one group of people and giving it to other groups of people. The accurate but politically incorrect term for that is expropriation. That is not a proper role of government. Or society. Or anyone.

The reason you have Camden and Newark is taking money from one group of people and giving it to others year after year and decade after decade and destroyed family after destroyed family. Only it hasn't worked. Except for the destruction part. Nor should it work. Nor could it work. In theory it's wrong. In practice it's wrong. And the final check would be reality. Yup. Reality agrees - it has proven to be a grotesque disaster. With a century of tinkering and dickering and bickering, none of which was necessary because simple logic and basic ethics could have predicted with 0% error that the result would be what the result has been.

The now clichéd implosions of decrepit housing projects at the behest of benevolent sticks of dynamite is a metaphor for what the state has done to the underclass:



The buildings shake and tremble and sputter and spew, finally collapsing into a malevolent dark powder that fills the air with an evil plume. The effect on families formerly residing in these atrocities is identical - they collapse. They fail to function. Nobody does what they are supposed to. Roles disintegrate. People disintegrate. Random children are born, and without proper role models, develop randomly, often criminally.

Handouts lead to broken families and broken people and broken society. A permanent underclass. The direct blame for which is "Progressive" thinking, which is a misnomer. Progressive thinking is criminally stupid and destructive thinking. It can only lead exactly where it has led. To misery, destruction, deprivation, and decay.

You don't steal from someone for the unearned and undeserved benefit of another person. It's wrong - philosophically, morally, ethically, practically, theoretically, and empirically.

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Old 04-28-2014, 12:26 AM
 
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I feel like a lot of the inequalities between parts of Newark (near New York) and Camden (near Phillie) are driven by rightwing and somewhat Republican-ish leanings in the state that result in not enough revitalization and state funding to help the poor low income jersey inner urban cities

The solution to the problem is a more Liberal and left of center agenda for the state.
What I mean by this is higher property taxes in affluent neighborhoods based on surcharges that can be added to assessed value, then offset by community service volunteering credit hours ...so one can avoid these surcharges...but if they choose not to volunteer their time, they get the new surcharge

The surcharges would allow Trenton to fund development and cultural revitalization techniques in downtown Newark with urban planning student groups who mobilize and organize Newark community grassroots movements

We would also have volunteer groups from Rutgers and Princeton perhaps...and get some public recreational programs flowing in Camden as well in South Jersey

I think NJ has gone a little too Right of center in recent years and this is explaining some inequality that can be resolved by a more progressive direction for the garden state
NJ elected Christie because the Democrats did such a poor job of fiscal management. The state is overall, extremely liberal, as is clearly evidence from voting patterns.

Few people anywhere would be in favor of making people choose between work (it's not volunteering if you're being coerced to do it) or additional taxes.

Moving on, the core issue Trenton and Camden have is that they lack a reason to exist or improve.
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Old 04-28-2014, 04:38 AM
 
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So Jersey is pretty red state per the forum sample
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Old 04-28-2014, 05:32 AM
 
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This is a troll thread, there is no way someone can be this serious. This state has been controlled and run by Democrats for a long time. You should question the mayors of those towns or better yet how about you donate your pay checks.

Or you can move , your ideology sounds like a perfect fit in a communist country.
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Old 04-28-2014, 05:47 AM
 
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So Jersey is pretty red state per the forum sample
New Jersey is unquestionably one of the bluest/ most left-wing/liberal states in the country.
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Old 04-28-2014, 06:32 AM
 
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And who here is truly representing the average New Jerseyite?

I see 100% of the people responding here want a more Conservative NJ. Are you suggesting the forum is all magically a skewed sample of Jersey political views?

Where's all this right of center feedback on this forum coming from? If all of you live in NJ you should get acquainted with your fellow posters because they by no stretch are fitting this Liberal blue NJ you speak of

As a sample of the NJ population they are saying:

"Trenton can't find a purpose or use at all"
"Progressive state programs are philosophically, morally, ethically, theoretically, practically, and empirically failures."

This is coming from you the posters of NJ....your words not mine. How very Liberal are these perspectives? If these are Liberal views, then what is Liberal about them?

The state is extremely un-liberal as far as I'm concerned. It is certainly very unliberal on registered sex offenders, last northeast state to allow gay marriage, the state that is known as libertarian sprawl and malls and burbs ....white flight....it could not possibly be more un/Leftwing

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Old 04-28-2014, 07:00 AM
 
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When I went to Atlantic City and parked in a garage where you pay on your way out. I went into a casino and lost $10 so I put in my ATM debit card to withdraw another 20 to get even with another round of slots. The ATM declined my debit card due to "insufficient funds"

I didn't even have enough cash to get out of the parking garage. This so/called "Liberal state" you speak of had 0 sympathy for my situation. I luckily had emergency money in the glove compartment and if I didn't, the police planned on having my car towed and me warned to get off the property and find a shelter and otherwise be subject to disorderly conduct

Again, this is not a liberal state

"I was told very simply 'sir you are an adult not a child...if you knew you were running insufficient funds or had a low debit balance it was up to you to weigh the consequences of your decision to park in this garage and gamble...BEFOREHAND...certainly it is not our burden of responsibility. Find a shelter...your car will be towed if you can't pay ...if you can't do this much then you will be booked

What is too Liberal about the way New Jersey handled my situation? Explain
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Old 04-28-2014, 07:08 AM
 
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When I went to Atlantic City and parked in a garage where you pay on your way out. I went into a casino and lost $10 so I put in my ATM debit card to withdraw another 20 to get even with another round of slots. The ATM declined my debit card due to "insufficient funds"

I didn't even have enough cash to get out of the parking garage. This so/called "Liberal state" you speak of had 0 sympathy for my situation. I luckily had emergency money in the glove compartment and if I didn't, the police planned on having my car towed and me warned to get off the property and find a shelter and otherwise be subject to disorderly conduct

Again, this is not a liberal state

"I was told very simply 'sir you are an adult not a child...if you knew you were running insufficient funds or had a low debit balance it was up to you to weigh the consequences of your decision to park in this garage and gamble...BEFOREHAND...certainly it is not our burden of responsibility. Find a shelter...your car will be towed if you can't pay ...if you can't do this much then you will be booked

What is too Liberal about the way New Jersey handled my situation? Explain

So is it or is it not YOUR responsibility ? Last time i checked nothing was free in this country. Did you think a parking garage was free? Your stupidity is not the responsibility of others.
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