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Old 03-16-2015, 03:45 PM
 
Location: Upstate NY/NJ
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Back to Linden, seemingly everyone I know from there has medical issues. Tumors, cancer, lumps on their body. No one from there looks particularly healthy. I just feel like there's no reason to live there and take a chance.
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Old 03-16-2015, 04:10 PM
 
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...and speaking of our "environmental" governor, here is his latest money grab.

Do you remember that ballot question where you approved the use of part of the corporate tax for buying out homeowners in flood prone areas, and to preserve farmland and prevent those farms from becoming more McMansions?

Well, our esteemed governor has decided to use those funds to help him prop up his budget, because...
With his eye on The White House, he certainly doesn't want to have to raise taxes in order to pay for his other various schemes.

Chris Christie...The Bait & Switch Governor.
What a guy!

Fight erupts on use of NJ open space money - News - NorthJersey.com

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Old 03-16-2015, 07:45 PM
 
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Back to Linden, seemingly everyone I know from there has medical issues. Tumors, cancer, lumps on their body. No one from there looks particularly healthy. I just feel like there's no reason to live there and take a chance.
I frequent Linden quite much in the past year because of the AMC theater and other stores such as the Vietnamese Pho restaurant there is pretty good. I also went to new Buffalo Wild Wings there and there were tons of people there. So I find your claim to be ridiculous and untruthful. At the Target in Linden, I see lots of healthy people. Why are you making this kind of stuff up? It's a very diverse city is that your agenda?

For those that claim the air stinks, I don't smell anything that stinks. Manhattan smells much worst.
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Old 03-16-2015, 10:24 PM
 
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I frequent Linden quite much in the past year because of the AMC theater and other stores such as the Vietnamese Pho restaurant there is pretty good. I also went to new Buffalo Wild Wings there and there were tons of people there. So I find your claim to be ridiculous and untruthful. At the Target in Linden, I see lots of healthy people. Why are you making this kind of stuff up? It's a very diverse city is that your agenda?

For those that claim the air stinks, I don't smell anything that stinks. Manhattan smells much worst.
It stinks around the refineries, which is to be expected. Along the Elizabeth border, near the Goethals Bridge so by the Turnpike/278 area, maybe a little 1 and 9, you can smell it. The smell often greets you coming back to NJ via the Goethals. Otherwise, Linden doesn't smell. That is one small area bordering the water, so it's set back and pretty minute.

Linden is pretty nice in some areas.
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Old 03-17-2015, 10:25 AM
 
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It stinks around the refineries, which is to be expected. Along the Elizabeth border, near the Goethals Bridge so by the Turnpike/278 area, maybe a little 1 and 9, you can smell it. The smell often greets you coming back to NJ via the Goethals. Otherwise, Linden doesn't smell. That is one small area bordering the water, so it's set back and pretty minute.

Linden is pretty nice in some areas.
I live in Union so I'm quite familiar with the area because it's the gateway to Staten Island and NYC. I just find the claim by the previous poster to be preposterous.

The refinery sits out next to NJ turnpike, it doesn't sit in the middle of any towns nearby. There are zoning laws about that if it was true. I was at the Sams Club nearby and was able to see the refinery tower and I don't smell anything. I wouldn't want to go anywhere near those refineries.

If it was so toxic that people are dying and getting cancer left and right we should see ghost towns nearby. Instead I see many new shopping and retail stores popping up, I go to AMC in Linden a lot to watch movies, Starbucks right there and Apt complexes being built in both Elizabeth and Linden near the train stations contrary to what some people are saying that people are leaving the area.

The only constant I can tell is that both Elizabeth and Linden are diverse have multiple ethnics and races living there that tells me why some people troll yet they never even been around the area much probably because they don't want to be with diversity.

My guess is that in a few years the area will get some doses of gentrification as many new Apts and Condos are being built along the entire Northeast corridor train stations. From Newark all the way down.
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Old 03-17-2015, 10:30 AM
 
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I live in Union so I'm quite familiar with the area because it's the gateway to Staten Island and NYC. I just find the claim by the previous poster to be preposterous.

The refinery sits out next to NJ turnpike, it doesn't sit in the middle of any towns nearby. There are zoning laws about that if it was true. I was at the Sams Club nearby and was able to see the refinery tower and I don't smell anything. I wouldn't want to go anywhere near those refineries.

If it was so toxic that people are dying and getting cancer left and right we should see ghost towns nearby. Instead I see many new shopping and retail stores popping up, I go to AMC in Linden a lot to watch movies, Starbucks right there and Apt complexes being built in both Elizabeth and Linden near the train stations contrary to what some people are saying that people are leaving the area.

The only constant I can tell is that both Elizabeth and Linden are diverse have multiple ethnics and races living there that tells me why some people troll yet they never even been around the area much probably because they don't want to be with diversity.

My guess is that in a few years the area will get some doses of gentrification as many new Apts and Condos are being built along the entire Northeast corridor train stations. From Newark all the way down.
Yeah I haven't heard of health effects either (I'm sure there are some but not on a huge scale or anything) and the area is pretty popular, with the movie theater and shopping and restaurants. I've been a few times, and go through Linden to get to SI nearly every day so I'm very familiar with Linden as well. I live in Cranford, which is right next to Linden, and still don't hear these negative things.

I hope the Northeast Corridor can flourish but I personally find a lot of it around here to be too industrial in look and feel.
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Old 03-17-2015, 02:44 PM
 
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I frequent Linden quite much in the past year because of the AMC theater and other stores such as the Vietnamese Pho restaurant there is pretty good. I also went to new Buffalo Wild Wings there and there were tons of people there. So I find your claim to be ridiculous and untruthful. At the Target in Linden, I see lots of healthy people. Why are you making this kind of stuff up? It's a very diverse city is that your agenda?

For those that claim the air stinks, I don't smell anything that stinks. Manhattan smells much worst.
What does diversity have to do with anything? I'm talking about pollution. Manhattan smells worse? What of urine? Maybe. But anyone who can't smell the refineries in Linden should have their olfactory senses checked.

WIDOWS CARRY ON WITH EFFORTS TO STUDY REFINERY'S CANCER CASES
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Old 03-17-2015, 07:57 PM
 
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What does diversity have to do with anything? I'm talking about pollution. Manhattan smells worse? What of urine? Maybe. But anyone who can't smell the refineries in Linden should have their olfactory senses checked.
In the town of Linden you don't smell the refineries unless the wind is blowing from the east, which isn't usual.
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Old 03-18-2015, 01:12 PM
 
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What does diversity have to do with anything? I'm talking about pollution. Manhattan smells worse? What of urine? Maybe. But anyone who can't smell the refineries in Linden should have their olfactory senses checked.

WIDOWS CARRY ON WITH EFFORTS TO STUDY REFINERY'S CANCER CASES
Your link there references people that work at the refinery which is pretty obvious for anyone that work at these sites. I wouldn't even be near it.

Your claim that people in Linden town all have cancer is bs. Unless you have some hidden agenda, it's a bogus claim.

I do understand the effects of pollution and the quicker we can shut the refinery down the better. Long terms it affects anyone in the area, it doesn't matter where you live. Because the wind is going to carry it all over NYC/NJ.
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Old 03-18-2015, 07:08 PM
 
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Your link there references people that work at the refinery which is pretty obvious for anyone that work at these sites. I wouldn't even be near it.

Your claim that people in Linden town all have cancer is bs. Unless you have some hidden agenda, it's a bogus claim.

I do understand the effects of pollution and the quicker we can shut the refinery down the better. Long terms it affects anyone in the area, it doesn't matter where you live. Because the wind is going to carry it all over NYC/NJ.
Reading comprehension is clearly not your strong suit. I said that everyone that I knew who grew up in Linden (which is probably 4 or 5 people) all had either tumors, lumps on their skin, or some form of cancer. That does NOT mean that everyone in Linden has cancer.

As you admit yourself, the refinery is creating pollution. The effects of pollution on a receptor (human) are dictated by 3 main factors:

Distance from pollution
Concentration of the pollutants
Time exposed to the pollution

By living in Linden, you are exposed to a more concentrated amount of pollution than areas that don't have the refinery. So, you are close, you are concentrated, and you live there, so the time spent there is high.
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