Syrian refugees in NJ ? (theatres, moving, housing)

[CaptainNJ]

Originally Posted by HalfFull

Safe areas? Where exactly? Who will protect them? (and won't they be natural targets?) For how long?

And I think the overwhelming majority would prefer to return home and not become permanent residents.

that depends. isis isnt some unstoppable force. they have proven incapable of taking over shiite territory. that is why they are mostly confined to sunni areas. so you could move them to west syria & south iraq. an international force could protect them but they would be safe well away from the front lines. you could also move them to other middle eastern nations in the area. they have plenty of space and they have money also. that would also make it easier for them to move back to their homes. it makes no sense to fly them to America.

[Kthnry]

Refugee camps are prime breeding ground for terrorists. Would it really be smart to put all refugees into camps?

[Kthnry]

Syrian refugees: Madeleine Albright, Henry Kissinger ask Congress to back off refugee legislation - POLITICO

Albright, Kissinger ask Congress to back off refugee legislation

Madeleine Albright, Henry Kissinger and David Petraeus have joined other national security experts and military leaders in calling on Congress to stop proposals that could deter the flow of Syrian and Iraqi refugees into the U.S.
“We believe that America can and should continue to provide refuge to those fleeing violence and persecution without compromising the security and safety of our nation," reads the letter, which was signed by a group of 20 bipartisan policy experts and sent to Congress on Tuesday. “To do otherwise would be contrary to our nation’s traditions of openness and inclusivity, and would undermine our core objective of combating terrorism,” it continues.

The letter writers said that the current refugee vetting process is already “robust and thorough.”

"Given the stringent measures in place, we are especially concerned by proposals that would derail or further delay the resettlement of Iraqis who risked their lives to work with the U.S. military and other U.S. organizations. These refugees were given priority access to U.S. resettlement under the Refugee Crisis in Iraq Act. The United States has a moral obligation to protect them,” they said.

The letter continues, “Refugees are victims, not perpetrators, of terrorism. Categorically refusing to take them only feeds the narrative of ISIS that there is a war between Islam and the West, that Muslims are not welcome in the United States and Europe, and that the ISIS caliphate is their true home.”

After the Nov. 13 terrorist attacks in Paris that left 130 dead, the House quickly passed legislation that would tighten screening for Syrian refugees, despite a veto threat from Obama. The Senate has yet to formally act.

The full list of signatories is below:

Madeleine K. Albright, Former Secretary of State
Samuel R. Berger, Former National Security Advisor
Zbigniew K. Brzezinski, Former National Security Advisor
General George W. Casey, Jr., U.S. Army (Ret.), Former Chief of Staff, U.S. Army
Michael Chertoff, Former Secretary of Homeland Security
William S. Cohen, Former Secretary of Defense
Stephen J. Hadley, Former National Security Advisor
Chuck Hagel, Former Secretary of Defense
General Michael V. Hayden, U.S. Air Force (Ret.), Former Director, Central Intelligence Agency
General James L. Jones, U.S. Marine Corps (Ret.), Former National Security Advisor, Former NATO Supreme Allied Commander, Former Commandant of the Marine Corps
Henry A. Kissinger, Former Secretary of State, Former National Security Advisor
General Richard B. Myers, U.S. Air Force (Ret.), Former Chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff
Janet A. Napolitano, Former Secretary of Homeland Security
Leon E. Panetta, Former Secretary of Defense, Former Director, Central Intelligence Agency
General David H. Petraeus, U.S. Army (Ret.), Former Director, Central Intelligence Agency, Former Commander, U.S. Central Command
William J. Perry, Former Secretary of Defense
Brent Scowcroft, Former National Security Advisor
George P. Shultz, Former Secretary of State
Admiral James G. Stavridis, U.S. Navy (Ret.), Former NATO Supreme Allied Commander, Former Commander, U.S. Southern Command
General John W. Vessey, Jr., U.S. Army (Ret.), Former Chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff

Read more: Syrian refugees: Madeleine Albright, Henry Kissinger ask Congress to back off refugee legislation - POLITICO

[CaptainNJ]

Originally Posted by Kthnry

Refugee camps are prime breeding ground for terrorists. Would it really be smart to put all refugees into camps?

and you have some kind of examples of people who lived in refugee camps that became terrorists? no? you mean you made that up because you think its makes sense to you? oh, ok.

[Kthnry]

Originally Posted by CaptainNJ

and you have some kind of examples of people who lived in refugee camps that became terrorists? no? you mean you made that up because you think its makes sense to you? oh, ok.

Nah, I didn't make it up. The link between refugee camps and terrorists has been known for decades, if not centuries. Why, here's an article from 1972 on that very subject.

https://news.google.com/newspapers?n...,3841960&hl=en

And here's a more recent piece from Forbes. Maybe you could review the study cited in the article and get back to us with your rebuttal.

Forbes Welcome

"... There can be no disputing that one of the prime breeding grounds for extremist ideology and the creation of tomorrow’s terrorist is the refugee camp. If you wish to dispute this reality, I highly recommend you read the extensive study done by Amanda Ekey of NYU. If you remain skeptical after reviewing her excellent work, then you simply aren’t paying attention or prefer to operate in the dark.

These camps are places where young people—parked alongside their elders for the immediate benefit of food and shelter—have little to do but think about and discuss who it was in the world that sentenced them to so awful a life. They are robbed of their youth as they watch their parents lose all self-respect as they are denied the opportunity to work to support their family as they once did in their homeland. All of this leads those interned in the camps to believe that there is no hope for a better life in society.

And when that happens, we know that these people all too often find self-respect in extremist religion—bringing them to the point of picking up a gun to fight for Allah rather than picking up a briefcase or the tools of a legitimate trade. ..."

[Kthnry]

Originally Posted by CaptainNJ

and you have some kind of examples of people who lived in refugee camps that became terrorists? no? you mean you made that up because you think its makes sense to you? oh, ok.

A couple more articles from the British press.

World's largest refugee camp scapegoated in wake of Garissa attack | World news | The Guardian
World's largest refugee camp scapegoated in wake of Garissa attack

ISIS terrorists exploiting migrant crisis by 'recruiting refugees from asylum camps in Europe' - Mirror Online
ISIS terrorists exploiting migrant crisis by 'recruiting refugees from asylum camps in Europe'

This is interesting --

The Taliban
Cultural and religious basis for the Taliban

In the context of Afghan history, the rise of the Taliban—though not their extremism—is unsurprising.

Afghanistan is a devoutly Muslim nation—90% of its population are Sunni Muslims (other Afghan Muslims are Sufis or Shiites). Religious schools were established in Afghanistan after Islam arrived in the seventh century and taliban became an important part of the social fabric: running schools, mosques, shrines, and various religious and social services, and serving as mujahideen when necessary.

Most of the Taliban's leaders were educated in Pakistan, in refugee camps where they had fled with millions of other Afghans after the Soviet invasion. Pakistan's Jami'at-e 'Ulema-e Islam (JUI) political party provided welfare services, education, and military training for refugees in many of these camps. They also established religious schools in the Deobandi tradition.

The Deobandi tradition originated as a reform movement in British India with the aim of rejuvenating Islamic society in a colonial state, and remained prevalent in Pakistan after the partition from India. The Deobandi schools in Afghan refugee camps, however, are often run by inexperienced and semi-literate mullahs. In addition, funds and scholarships provided by Saudi Arabia during the occupation brought the schools' curricula closer to the conservative Wahhabi tradition. Ties between the Taliban and these schools remain strong: when the Taliban were defeated in the city of Mazar-i-Sharif one of Pakistan's largest religious schools shut down for a month and sent thousands of students to Afghanistan as reinforcements.

[Kthnry]

Originally Posted by CaptainNJ

and you have some kind of examples of people who lived in refugee camps that became terrorists? no? you mean you made that up because you think its makes sense to you? oh, ok.

Here's an article from 2009. This is enough for now. It's interesting what ten minutes on Google will turn up. You might try it some time.

Taliban Finds Fertile Recruiting Ground in Pakistan's Tribal Refugee Camps - US News

"A recent report by Pakistan's intelligence agencies suggests that hundreds of angry young men, who earlier along with their families had taken shelter in different refugee camps set up by the government with the help of the Office of the U.N. High Commissioner for Refugees, have joined the Taliban ranks during the past few months. ...

The new intelligence report says, however, that these refugee camps have turned out to be recruitment centers for the Taliban, who are looking for fresh recruits to cope with the accelerated military operations in different parts of the tribal belt. Taliban militants have been exploiting the deaths of women and children in both U.S. drone attacks and bombings by Pakistani forces to coax angry young men to join hands with them for revenge, the intelligence official said."

[HalfFull]

Winner by TKO.... Kthnry!!!

[CaptainNJ]

since when was the taliban a terrorist group? those articles and your claims are ridiculous. your conclusion is ridiculous. in fact, one of the articles you posted is saying the refugee camp is being scapegoated and that dismantling the camp wouldnt help. you are just googling and posting stuff you think supports your claim even though they dont.

in any case, if you think Isis is going to recruit refugees in camps then what sense does it make to allow any refugees into your country? it seems the logical thing to do would be just to not let the refugees into your country.

[HalfFull]

Originally Posted by CaptainNJ

since when was the taliban a terrorist group? those articles and your claims are ridiculous. your conclusion is ridiculous. in fact, one of the articles you posted is saying the refugee camp is being scapegoated and that dismantling the camp wouldnt help. you are just googling and posting stuff you think supports your claim even though they dont.

in any case, if you think Isis is going to recruit refugees in camps then what sense does it make to allow any refugees into your country? it seems the logical thing to do would be just to not let the refugees into your country.

For your own good... someone stop the fight!


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