Cranford, NJ vs. Westfield, NJ

[Older&Wiser]

Originally Posted by luvmydogs22

"Older & Wiser," I don't know how you became so small and mean and selfish, but it sure depresses the hell out of me. To go back to the original thread, I certainly hope that most folks in Westfield aren't like this, because I'm pondering moving there.

Please explain how I am "small, mean and selfish"?

[luvmydogs22]

Originally Posted by Older&Wiser

Please explain how I am "small, mean and selfish"?

Give, give, give - who pays for it. Who pays for the education of illegals, who pays for welfare, who pays for medical care for them, who pays for the Pell Grants.You really do not have a clue"

Lovely stuff. I'm sure there's a direct causal relationship b/w any unhappiness in your life and the fact that we are allowing illegal immigrants into our classrooms. You probably would have supported throwing Jean Valjean in jail for stealing a loaf of bread.

One chooses to be the sort of person who pulls up the ladder behind him/her -- or not. I choose "not."

[Older&Wiser]

So answer the question - WHO DOES PAY FOR IT? Where does the money come from?

I'm going to back out of this thread because it has gone way off topic.

[stevemorse]

Originally Posted by Older&Wiser

How is it "naive and disrespectful"? They can move if they want - they don't chose to. What is naive and disrespectful. Explain please. The town I live in is middle class, are you going to pay my way to Westfield, Summit or Mendham?

Read this and then maybe you will understand unless, and I say this with great respect, unless your thought process is too far gone with this diversity, multiculturism.
Please read carefully!



American Suicide..................Very sobering



Wherever you stand, please take the time to read this; it ought to scare the beejeebers out of you!



We know Dick Lamm as the former Governor of Colorado. In that context his thoughts are particularly poignant. Last week there was an immigration overpopulation conference in Washington , DC , filled to capacity by many of America's finest minds and leaders. A brilliant college professor by the name of Victor Hansen Davis talked about his latest book, "Mexifornia," explaining how immigration - both legal and illegal was destroying the entire state of California. He said it would march across th e country until it destroyed all vestiges of The American Dream.



Moments later, former Colorado Governor Richard D. Lamm stood up and gave a stunning speech on how to destroy America

The audience sat spellbound as he described eight methods for the destruction of the United States . He said, "If you believe that America is too smug, too self-satisfied, too rich, then let's destroy America It is not that hard to do. No nation in history has survived the ravages of time. Arnold Toynbee observed that all great civilizations rise and fall and that 'An autopsy of history would show that all great nations commit suicide.'"

"Here is how they do it," Lamm said:



"First, to destroy America , turn America into a bilingual or multi-lingual and bicultural country. History shows that no nation can survive the tension, conflict, and antagonism of two or more competing languages and cultures. It is a blessing for an individual to be bilingual; however, it is a curse for a society to be bilingual. The historical scholar, Seymour Lipset, put it this way: 'The histories of bilingual and bicultural societies that do not assimilate are histories of turmoil, tension, and tragedy.' Canada , Belgium , Malaysia , and Lebanon all face crises of national existence in which minorities press for autonomy, if not independence . Pakistan and Cyprus have divided. Nigeria suppressed an ethnic rebellion. France faces difficulties with Basques, Bretons, Corsicans and Muslims."

Lamm went on:



"Second, to destroy America , invent 'multiculturalism' and encourage immigrants to maintain their culture. Make it an article of belief that all cultures are equal; that there are no cultural differences. Make it an article of faith that the Black and Hispanic dropout rates are due solely to prejudice and discrimination by the majority. Every other explanation is out of bounds.



"Third, we could make the United States an 'Hispanic Quebec' without much effort. The key is to celebrate diversity rather than unity. As Benjamin Schwarz said in the Atlantic Monthly recently: 'The apparent success of our own multi-ethnic and multicultural experiment might have been achieved not by tolerance but by hegemony. Without the dominance that once dictated ethnocentricity and what it meant to be an American, we are left with only tolerance and pluralism to hold us together.' Lamm said, "I would encourage all immigrants to keep their own language and culture. I would replace the melting pot metaphor with the salad bowl metaphor. It is important to ensure that we have various cultural subgroups living in America enforcing their differences rather than as Americans, emphasizing their similarities."



"Fourth, I would make our fastest growing demographic group the least educated. I would add a second underclass, unassimilated, undereducated, and antagonistic to our population. I would have this second underclass have a 50% dropout rate from high school."



"My fifth point for destroying America would be to get big foundations and business to give these efforts lots of money. I would invest in ethnic identity, and I would establish the cult of 'Victimology.' I would get all minorities to think that their lack of success was the fault of the majority. I would start a grievance industry blaming all minority failure on the majority placation."



"My sixth plan for America's downfall would include dual citizenship, and promote divided loyalties. I would celebrate diversity over unity. I would stress differences rather than similarities. Diverse people worldwide are mostly engaged in hating each other - that is, when they are not killing each other. A diverse, peaceful, or stable society is against most historical precident. People undervalue the unity it takes to keep a nation together. Look at the ancient Greeks. The Greeks believed that they belonged to the same race; they possessed a common language and literature; and they worshipped the same gods. All Greece took part in the Olympic games. A common enemy, Persia , threatened their liberty. Yet all these bonds were not strong enough to overcome two factors: local patriotism and geographical conditions that nurtured political divisions. Greece fell. "E. Pluribus Unum" -- From many, one. In that historical reality, if we put the emphasis on the 'pluribus' instead of the 'Unum,' we will "Balkanize" America as surely as Kosovo.'



"Next to last, I would place all subjects off limits. Make it taboo to talk about anything against the cult of 'diversity.' I would find a word similar to 'heretic' in the 16th century - that stopped discussion and paralyzed thinking. Words like 'racist' or 'xenophobe' halt discussion and debate. Having made America a bilingual/bicultural country, having established multi-culture, having the large foundations fund the doctrine of 'Victimology,' I would next make it impossible to enforce our immigration laws. I would develop a mantra: That because immigration has been good for America , it must always be good. I would make every individual immigrant symmetric and ignore the cumulative impact of millions of them."



In the last minute of his speech, Governor Lamm wiped his brow. Profound silence followed. Finally he said, "Lastly, I would censor Victor Hanson Davis's book 'Mexifornia.' His book is dangerous. It exposes the plan to destroy America . If you feel America deserves to be destroyed, don't read that book."



There was no applause. A chilling fear quietly rose like an ominous cloud above every attendee at the conference. Every American in that room knew that everything Lamm enumerated was proceeding methodically, quietly, darkly, yet pervasively across the United States today. Discussion is being suppressed. Over 100 languages are ripping the foundation of our educational system and national cohesiveness. Even barbaric cultures that practice female genital mutilation are growing as we celebrate 'diversity.' American jobs are vanishing into the Third World as corporations create a Third World in America Take note of California and other states. To date, te n million illegal aliens and growing fast. It is reminiscent of George Orwell's book "1984." In that story, three slogans are engraved in the Ministry of Truth building: "War is peace," "Freedom is slavery, " and "Ignorance is strength."

Governor Lamm walked back to his seat. It dawned on everyone at the conference that our nation and the future of this great democracy is deeply in trouble and worsening fast. If we don't get this immigration monster stopped within three years, it will rage like a California wildfire and destroy everything in its path, especially The American Dream

Sounds to me like the democratic party!!
I do not see this as a rant, actually some of the points here are true and have happened and are almost already in full action. I see this as true!! I think one day If I could live to 200 years old, I may have to sneak into Mexico to get a job!! I get your point older and wiser and fully agree that this will destroy America.

[nevetsdraw]

Older&Weiser...you are so right on what you said. It is the people that argue with what you say that are part of this disturbing argument that want to change our rights as Americans. We have welcomed here everyone from every country for many years but it is not good enough for them to accept our ways....they now want us to bow to them and if we do not we are racist. We are losing our country at such a fast pace it's scary. If we were ever to go to another country and do what some do we would be shot or be-headed point blank. We as a people need to once again stand up for oursselves and take our heads from our you know what take back what is ours. We need to start by getting out some of the politicians that sell us out. Our goverment does not do for the people anymore they do what they want.

[STrapani1105]

I don't recall ever visiting Cranford. But I went down to Westfield once, it was during the springtime, late April early May. I couldn't helpy but remark of how beautiful the town was. the homes were nice old homes with large front yards, and the trees were blossoming. the children were playing happily outside. the downtown was absolutely wonderful, it was thriving with people shopping and eating out on the sidewalk cafes. the only part that was weird was on the other side under the railroad bridge, i believe theres a traffic circle there, and there was some ghetto looking catholic school. but otherwise, very nice town.