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Old 06-23-2016, 08:03 AM
 
Location: New Jersey/Florida
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23 cents raise immediately. Don't see much opposition. How about asking for a nickel or a dime, no go for the jugular right out of the gate.


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22 hours ago - 3. The 14.5 cent gas tax is now 49th in the U.S., with only Alaska being lower. If the 12.5 percent increase is enacted, New Jersey would have the seventh-highest gas tax. But because the tax depends on the price of gasoline, the Garden State could move up or down on that list.
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Old 06-23-2016, 09:00 AM
 
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23 cents raise immediately. Don't see much opposition. How about asking for a nickel or a dime, no go for the jugular right out of the gate.


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22 hours ago - 3. The 14.5 cent gas tax is now 49th in the U.S., with only Alaska being lower. If the 12.5 percent increase is enacted, New Jersey would have the seventh-highest gas tax. But because the tax depends on the price of gasoline, the Garden State could move up or down on that list.
This is NJ. There is rarely opposition to tax increases. And yet, we are virtually financially insolvent.
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Old 06-23-2016, 10:29 AM
 
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This is NJ. There is rarely opposition to tax increases. And yet, we are virtually financially insolvent.
So true. As the lack of any interest in the thread.
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Old 06-23-2016, 11:11 AM
 
Location: Bergen County, NJ
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So true. As the lack of any interest in the thread.


I did the math. This amounts to a little over $10 a month for me. While I'd rather pay less than more any day, I think it's understandable why people aren't up in arms about it.
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Old 06-23-2016, 11:11 AM
 
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Christie to veto?
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Old 06-23-2016, 11:17 AM
 
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I did the math. This amounts to a little over $10 a month for me. While I'd rather pay less than more any day, I think it's understandable why people aren't up in arms about it.
I think that's it. In the grand scheme of things, how much will this hurt.
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Old 06-23-2016, 11:39 AM
 
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Infuriating that we see ads on tv and radio from some union thugs pretending to be concerned for our crumbling infrastructure that must have happened overnight.


Bridges get inspected every year and concrete, unlike sugar, tends to hold its form and structure unless originally built with substandard material, shodding design and construction.


Any pols asking for a gas tax increase have no problem passing the red face test that ortherwise would send a taxpayer into the ICU.


Do not elect any pol proposing a gas tax.


The NJ constitution has no provision for a dedicated tax so we are hearing nothing but misleading information and outright lies. Re-elect those politicians and subvert the rest of the taxpayers, driving them into the poorhouse.


In addition, the estimated cost for any infrastructure project is grossly underestimated, galactically underestimated! And the result of incompetent predictions is a raise, a bonus and solid career security. More importantly raised taxes to pay for the incompetence.


The gas tax supression is the last vestige of taxpayer control in NJ. The gas tax gets passed, wave the white flag and never bother to vote in NJ again.


Then again if you had no problem voting for obama, who promised skyrocketing energy prices under his energy plan, you probably are from Nj, a loyal democrat and have more money than conciousness.
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Old 06-23-2016, 12:36 PM
 
Location: Wayne,NJ
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Infuriating that we see ads on tv and radio from some union thugs pretending to be concerned for our crumbling infrastructure that must have happened overnight.


Bridges get inspected every year and concrete, unlike sugar, tends to hold its form and structure unless originally built with substandard material, shodding design and construction.


Any pols asking for a gas tax increase have no problem passing the red face test that ortherwise would send a taxpayer into the ICU.


Do not elect any pol proposing a gas tax.


The NJ constitution has no provision for a dedicated tax so we are hearing nothing but misleading information and outright lies. Re-elect those politicians and subvert the rest of the taxpayers, driving them into the poorhouse.


In addition, the estimated cost for any infrastructure project is grossly underestimated, galactically underestimated! And the result of incompetent predictions is a raise, a bonus and solid career security. More importantly raised taxes to pay for the incompetence.


The gas tax supression is the last vestige of taxpayer control in NJ. The gas tax gets passed, wave the white flag and never bother to vote in NJ again.


Then again if you had no problem voting for obama, who promised skyrocketing energy prices under his energy plan, you probably are from Nj, a loyal democrat and have more money than conciousness.

NJ has the 49th LOWEST gas tax in the country. The infrastructure IS falling apart! Yes bridges are SUPPOSED to be inspected annually. When they are inspected recommendations are made for repairs and they don't get done because there is NO money. Concrete is a very durable material, then in the winter when you salt the roads the salt penetrates the concrete and corrodes the steel used to reinforce it.

Bridges are painted, then the paint chips and get weathered again exposing it to erosion. A house has to be painted more than once every hundred years. Go take a walk under some highway bridges and see the corrosion wear. Have you ever sat on even an overpass in stopped traffic and felt it move? Remember the I95 bridge that collapsed a few years ago in CT?
Or the one in Wisconsin?

The Transportation Fund was supposed to be supported under a plan Gov Kean proposed, but since then the magic dance with the number has been done, money shifted elsewhere (like the underfunded pension fund) and now the bills have to be paid. At least with the gas tax, if the money gets DEDICATED to the Transportation Trust Fund so future governors can't rob from Peter to pay Paul the infrastructure hopefully won't collapse.
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Old 06-23-2016, 02:36 PM
 
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I wonder if Christie is going to sign it. The Dems tossed him some red meat tax cuts that he can tout as cutting taxes the same time they get raised. Only in merica!!!
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Old 06-23-2016, 03:08 PM
 
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I'd support a more modest increase if I knew that ALL of the loot would ONLY go to roads and bridge repair and construction AND we would see a tax reduction (income/property) AND changes in the wealth redistribution schemes currently in place.

I'm skeptical that certain areas would be favored over others for political reasons ("Abbott" Roads and Bridges?).

I can see gas tax money being siphoned off to subsidize bike lanes, bus companies, walking paths and greenways or just disappearing like in the School Construction boondoggle.

Anyone remember that BS?
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