Relocating to Jersey City

[cf77]

o yea im sorry jersey city is gorgeous, exchange place is wonderful with all the buisnesses and buisness people going about their daily routines, so much to do there I think they opened a sandwich place there very exciting. Oh and journal square is just breath taking (rolls eyes) I cant believe ive succomb to putting down JC because I like the place, it just makes me laugh that you think its acctually got wonderful things to do. All it is , is a bedroom community to get to NYC quickly. As far as the crime yea I was mugged about a week ago and have had neumerous other problems so please dont tell me its safe. Once again it really may seem lilke im putting down JC but it aggravates the hell outta me when people make it out to be some beautiful pixie land cause its not face the facts. I know it has changed alot over the years with the yuppies moving in downtown but it sure as hell hasnt become safe, much safer downtown and less shady yes but overall its still has got a huge amount of problems. Maybe in another 10 years itll be wonderful as you say which I hope but its defenitly not there yet. To the original poster move there if youd like I dont want to discourage you but im simpily stating the facts.

[JERSEY MAN]

Originally Posted by cf77

o yea im sorry jersey city is gorgeous, exchange place is wonderful with all the buisnesses and buisness people going about their daily routines, so much to do there I think they opened a sandwich place there very exciting. Oh and journal square is just breath taking (rolls eyes) I cant believe ive succomb to putting down JC because I like the place, it just makes me laugh that you think its acctually got wonderful things to do. All it is , is a bedroom community to get to NYC quickly. As far as the crime yea I was mugged about a week ago and have had neumerous other problems so please dont tell me its safe. Once again it really may seem lilke im putting down JC but it aggravates the hell outta me when people make it out to be some beautiful pixie land cause its not face the facts. I know it has changed alot over the years with the yuppies moving in downtown but it sure as hell hasnt become safe, much safer downtown and less shady yes but overall its still has got a huge amount of problems. Maybe in another 10 years itll be wonderful as you say which I hope but its defenitly not there yet. To the original poster move there if youd like I dont want to discourage you but im simpily stating the facts.

Dessertrat won't believe you unless you PROVE to him that you were mugged. He wants reports and doesn't care about statistics. He wants times and dates and doesn't believe when people tell him they were victims of crimes. He possibly works for the Chamber of Commerce. Everthing is honky dory, maybe he lives in the Beacon condos because he said that area is nice. Go figure.

[DessertRat]

Originally Posted by JERSEY MAN

Dessertrat won't believe you unless you PROVE to him that you were mugged. He wants reports and doesn't care about statistics. He wants times and dates and doesn't believe when people tell him they were victims of crimes. He possibly works for the Chamber of Commerce. Everthing is honky dory, maybe he lives in the Beacon condos because he said that area is nice. Go figure.

Of course some people are crime victims. Some people are also good at bs'ing. Then there are some people aren't very cognitively gifted and can't deal with statistics beyond a certain kind of unanalyzed appearance. Then there are some people who put up a smokescreen for what they're really thinking. Then there are some people who have hidden agendas. There are lots of other kinds of people, too. Far too many to list them all here. But sure, some of those folks are legitimately crime victims . . . heck, I'll give you $1000 if you can show anywhere that I've said, "There are no crime victims in city x". You could use a grand, couldn't you? It's a socio-cultural fact--crime occurs wherever there is a number of people living in proximity.

[DessertRat]

Originally Posted by cf77

o yea im sorry jersey city is gorgeous, exchange place is wonderful with all the buisnesses and buisness people going about their daily routines, so much to do there I think they opened a sandwich place there very exciting.

Some folks really like Manhattan, including views of it from just across the rivers. The Exchange Place area is one of the best ones for Manhattan views from just across the Hudson River. It's also okay on its own, but if I didn't live in JC, I'd go there (and Liberty State Park, and Hoboken, etc.) to walk along the Hudson River.

it just makes me laugh that you think its acctually got wonderful things to do.

And it seems odd to me that you don't think that places like Liberty State Park, The Liberty Science Center, and the Jersey City Museum are wonderful places to visit.

it aggravates the hell outta me when people make it out to be some beautiful pixie land cause its not face the facts.

And it aggravates the hell out of me when (1) reading comprehension is that poor, and (2) hyperbole goes so far to the other side.

To the original poster move there if youd like I dont want to discourage you but im simpily stating the facts.

It seems like you stated far more exaggerated opinon.

[DessertRat]

Originally Posted by JERSEY MAN

He possibly works for the Chamber of Commerce. Everthing is honky dory, maybe he lives in the Beacon condos because he said that area is nice. Go figure.

Remember that I have invited you (or anyone else who is interested) to meet me in person. You could easily see where I live (and I've stated this in other threads that you've posted in). I've also stated what I do for a living.

[DessertRat]

By the way, cf77, this question wasn't rhetorical, I'm really curious what your answer to this would be: "Well, I don't get why Edgewater, say, would be any better than Jersey City. How would for example MY quality of life be different there?" I'm curious in what ways you think my quality of life might be different if I lived in Edgewater rather than Jersey City.

[fischfan13]

To the OP...
Jersey City is bad.
I lived one City away for 30 years and my inlaws live there right now.
Check out the crime stats, and you will find that for a City with 200,000 it has a higher than average crime rate.

[cf77]

Originally Posted by DessertRat

By the way, cf77, this question wasn't rhetorical, I'm really curious what your answer to this would be: "Well, I don't get why Edgewater, say, would be any better than Jersey City. How would for example MY quality of life be different there?" I'm curious in what ways you think my quality of life might be different if I lived in Edgewater rather than Jersey City.

You've got to be kidding with statement. Honestly I really dont want to go any further into this because to be perfectly honest I've lost interest. Take it as a victory for your side of the argument, I bow out gracefully, I will give one last hoorah then regress into the back. I understand you sticking up for a city that you love, and that is perfectly understandable my friend, because I love it too. My logic behind these responses for " is Jersey City a good option to live" or "what neighborhood is the safest?" is too give an honest opinion to an outsider who is genuinly curious about the city or what their saftey risk factor may be in a given neighborhood. Maybe a come off as negative or I put the city down to much but im giving the facts. Whether or not you believe me couldnt phase me in the slightest. It appears to me in your posts that nothing bad has happend to you while you've lived in JC and for that I say great, maybe muggers or crimminally insane people fear you, perhapes your an intimidating guy or know some type of crazy fighting style, that I do not know. But I speak to you as a person whos lived here many years and has had neumerous problems, yea its no Newark or Camden by any means but it sure as hell isnt a place to raise a family or take a midnight stroll through a park with your ipod. Very real things happen hear which I guess you seem to think is false unless you have a blood sample from the victim. I also realize the city is changing, do I like it? No not really. I think when higher class people move in it takes away from the mistique of a city, and to me they kind of come off as pompus pretentious type people(SOME OF THEM OBVIOUSLY NOT ALL), am I wrong? maybe, but hey you cant teach and old dog new tricks. What I do like about the city changing is many new shops and store are opening up offering new jobs for many people in the city, also I hear they're going to try and clean up our nuclear soil which is great for the city.Im tierd of typing now because the more and more I type the sillyer I feel about being involved in talking about a city when I could be doing something more productive like eating checkers french fries. Peace

[DessertRat]

Originally Posted by cf77

You've got to be kidding with statement.

No, I wasn't kidding.

Honestly I really dont want to go any further into this because to be perfectly honest I've lost interest. Take it as a victory for your side of the argument,

I take it, and most of the interaction about this (not just with you), which has mostly amounted to the same kinds of reactions, as very frustrating, because I'm really wanting folks to think about and talk about things rationally and analytically, including maybe having to think about things that we haven't really thought about before rather than just falling back on our stock of ready-made views. We can't do that very well if we can't get conversations to go beyond those ready-made views, and if we just ignore or deflect something as soon as it requests that we analyze something we haven't thought about in certain ways yet.

I understand you sticking up for a city that you love

That's not at all what I'm doing, and if you read my posts, you'll even see that I frequently suggest various locations to others, depending on their desires and needs. So I'm rather doing what I've stated above. People frequently say things here that do not at all seem to be true. I could just leave that alone and ignore it, but that's not really my nature. When it happens, I want to figure out why they're saying things that do not seem to be true (which could even turn out to be that given the right analysis, they'll also end up seeming true to me), and I want to say things that seem true to me instead.

My logic behind these responses for " is Jersey City a good option to live" or "what neighborhood is the safest?" is too give an honest opinion to an outsider who is genuinly curious about the city or what their saftey risk factor may be in a given neighborhood.

Right, and I agree with that. But we're disagreeing on what the safety risk factor may be and how one would figure that out. I don't think a good answer there is to just stick with our stock of ready-made opinions and to become uncomfortable when we're asked to go beyond those. I think a good answer is to try to figure out why we're disagreeing and how we'd best figure out what one's safety risk factor would actually be. That may not be simple, but if we want to say things that are true, the truth may not be very simple.

Maybe a come off as negative or I put the city down to much but im giving the facts.

I strongly disagree about that, though, and again, I don't think that the answer is to just ignore requests for further examination and assessment of the supposed facts.

Whether or not you believe me couldnt phase me in the slightest. It appears to me in your posts that nothing bad has happend to you while you've lived in JC and for that I say great, maybe muggers or crimminally insane people fear you, perhapes your an intimidating guy or know some type of crazy fighting style, that I do not know.

Well, I've said part of that. I'm built like a defensive lineman, I look a bit like a biker, and I'm definitely not afraid of anyone (and some people seem like maybe they're afraid of me instead). I have studied martial arts for over 30 years, but that hardly matters for someone initiating a situation. If I were to get mugged, the mugger better shoot quick, or they'd quickly end up dead, or at least they're going to be mugged instead.

But I speak to you as a person whos lived here many years and has had neumerous problems,

I've never argued that there is no crime in Jersey City or that no one has ever had problems. What I argue instead there is that there is crime in every city and people have had problems in every city. That shouldn't be news to anyone, and if it is, they need to get out of their bubble. No one is ever completely safe anywhere (cities or not, around other people or not). What potential residents want to know is the probability of their being safe in a particular area, and that's not a simple matter. It's nowhere near as simple as telling them their odds for winning a lottery (and even that may be misleadingly simplified in the odds given). It's certainly nowhere near as simple as noting raw numbers in official crime statistics. If someone wants to just ignore the analysis of those things, that's fine, but if they want to ignore it and yet keep repeating their beliefs based on it and keep chanting that "it's just the facts", I'm going to say something about it if I see it.

yea its no Newark or Camden by any means

The same things go for Newark and Camden. A lot of bs gets passed around about them, and just looking at raw numbers in official crime stats isn't going to tell anyone the probability of their being safe there.

but it sure as hell isnt a place to raise a family or take a midnight stroll through a park with your ipod.

And those sure as hell aren't facts.

Very real things happen hear which I guess you seem to think is false unless you have a blood sample from the victim.

Buying a strawman might be far easier, but it's not going to improve your accuracy.

I also realize the city is changing, do I like it? No not really.

lol, "It's crappy and I like it that way".

I think when higher class people move in

I'd say higher economic status, or yuppies or something instead.

it takes away from the mistique of a city, and to me they kind of come off as pompus pretentious type people(SOME OF THEM OBVIOUSLY NOT ALL), am I wrong? maybe, but hey you cant teach and old dog new tricks.

I don't really care for yuppies or snooty folks, either . . . which is one reason I wouldn't live someplace like Hoboken, because it seems to primarily consist of those folks now.

more I type the sillyer I feel about being involved in talking about a city when I could be doing something more productive like eating checkers french fries.

lol

[JERSEY MAN]

Originally Posted by cf77

You've got to be kidding with statement. Honestly I really dont want to go any further into this because to be perfectly honest I've lost interest. Take it as a victory for your side of the argument, I bow out gracefully, I will give one last hoorah then regress into the back. I understand you sticking up for a city that you love, and that is perfectly understandable my friend, because I love it too. My logic behind these responses for " is Jersey City a good option to live" or "what neighborhood is the safest?" is too give an honest opinion to an outsider who is genuinly curious about the city or what their saftey risk factor may be in a given neighborhood. Maybe a come off as negative or I put the city down to much but im giving the facts. Whether or not you believe me couldnt phase me in the slightest. It appears to me in your posts that nothing bad has happend to you while you've lived in JC and for that I say great, maybe muggers or crimminally insane people fear you, perhapes your an intimidating guy or know some type of crazy fighting style, that I do not know. But I speak to you as a person whos lived here many years and has had neumerous problems, yea its no Newark or Camden by any means but it sure as hell isnt a place to raise a family or take a midnight stroll through a park with your ipod. Very real things happen hear which I guess you seem to think is false unless you have a blood sample from the victim. I also realize the city is changing, do I like it? No not really. I think when higher class people move in it takes away from the mistique of a city, and to me they kind of come off as pompus pretentious type people(SOME OF THEM OBVIOUSLY NOT ALL), am I wrong? maybe, but hey you cant teach and old dog new tricks. What I do like about the city changing is many new shops and store are opening up offering new jobs for many people in the city, also I hear they're going to try and clean up our nuclear soil which is great for the city.Im tierd of typing now because the more and more I type the sillyer I feel about being involved in talking about a city when I could be doing something more productive like eating checkers french fries. Peace

Stated with true COMMON SENSE. Rep points your way. JM