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Old 10-11-2016, 01:51 PM
 
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Casinos bring so many negatives that trump the jobs. I have never visited Vegas or AC and thought hmmm, what a nice place to live and work.
Seeing as all your posts are negative, I don't find that surprising.
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Old 10-11-2016, 02:46 PM
 
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The state of Nj can't make anything a success. they can screw up a wet dream.


Trust them with funds..not on your life.


After the 23 cent raise in gas tax, I'll vote every single proposal down and vote for anyone other than the incumbent if they are on the list of names that screwed NJ residents.


these legislators need to recognize we taxpayers exist.
The voters of NJ have bankrupted NJ and constructed a severely underfunded pension plan...it is a not surprise that AC has gone bust. This what NJ does with money...why so many shocked posts?


There is nothing in NJ's history that suggests it is good at managing money. It is amazing AC lasted as long as it did. The next thing to fail is the pension system. And when that happens I expect many surprised posts.
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Old 10-11-2016, 02:55 PM
 
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https://www.casino.org/news/new-jers...egulatory-bill

It seems Sweeney wants to prevent Ichan from an end run over the unions in the closure.

Again the heavy hand of the state using it's monopoly on the use of force to compel free citizens to act against their best interests for the unearned and undeserved benefit of anyone willing to form a mob. Sweeney is a disgusting henchman, a union thug whose title is political but whose function is the same: Expropriate the wealth of those who create and earn, and hand it over to those who don't.


And in this case, stupid is as stupid does. Icahn isn't foolish enough to open a dying business in a dying state, throwing good money after bad. So the law is hogwash. But it is an example of what lawmakers do: act as thugs to steal money and redistribute it to their cronies.
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Old 10-11-2016, 02:57 PM
 
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#spock voice Fascinating.

Small detail: AC was destroyed by competition, not unions. Eh well. Nothing will convince so I wont bother with the long version.
Yeah, don't bother. Displacement of blame is not going to whitewash the inherent evil of unions. They are evil by design before they even begin their intended function: robbery.
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Old 10-11-2016, 06:43 PM
 
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More nonsense. Whatever negatives you think the casinos bring are already there. Drugs, alcohol, crime etc? North Jersey has that already. But I bet it could use some jobs and tax money that comes from people who don't mind paying.

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Casinos bring so many negatives that trump the jobs. I have never visited Vegas or AC and thought hmmm, what a nice place to live and work.
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Old 10-11-2016, 07:25 PM
 
Location: Wayne,NJ
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The voters of NJ have bankrupted NJ and constructed a severely underfunded pension plan...it is a not surprise that AC has gone bust. This what NJ does with money...why so many shocked posts?

They constucted a severely underfunded pension plan by electing Christie Whitman, who pushed through a tax cut, thus underfunding the budget. To make up for the shortfall she stopped making pension payments. Like most budget solutions, kicking the can down the road for the next administration. She did the same with the transportation fund, that was originally set up by Tom Kean (the last decent Republican Governor NJ had).


There is nothing in NJ's history that suggests it is good at managing money. It is amazing AC lasted as long as it did. The next thing to fail is the pension system. And when that happens I expect many surprised posts.
AC is just losing because of competition that's closer to the population areas. It also seemed like nothing went back into AC itself, like driving through a war zone before you get to the glitter.
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Old 10-12-2016, 03:57 AM
 
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give me a break, they were paid fine comparatively for the area, it's just greed and union bosses posturing for more, the whole thing is a corrupt operation.

i mean the casino is losing hundreds of millions and the management is trying to keep it float while the union is asking for more and more.

i dont like carl icahn, but respect him for calling their bluff and basically told them to go f themselves and closed shop.

now you have thousands more out of work on tax payer dimes, the union bosses who pushed for this could careless and just walks away to their next gig doing the same thing.

Unions were created with the noble idea of protecting the workers through collective bargaining due the horrible abuse and dangerous working conditions during the industrial revolution and afterwards. But over the years it has devolved into this giant corrupt squid sucking the lifeforce out of companies making them not competitive.

For example you have crazy union rules that force people to leave at exactly 4:30pm on the dot, even if they want to stay a little longer to finish their work, they cant. Or prevent companies from firing non-performers, so all those guys do the bare minimum or in some cases absolutely nothing - because they know they wont get fired. How does that make a company competitive? The evidence is in all the chapter 11 filings many are solely because of the union's stranglehold.

We have so many laws nowdays on worker condition/safety and benefits, we need to do away with unions.
I agree about the unions but you hav eto put things into perspective. Trump a single person developer (not his organization) got nearly $1 billion in tax abatements. I rather have costs go to a union than a private individual

Nepotism should be the target here. Union or private citizen
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Old 10-12-2016, 07:28 AM
 
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AC is just losing because of competition that's closer to the population areas. It also seemed like nothing went back into AC itself, like driving through a war zone before you get to the glitter.
Casinos and NJ are a big fail...let's not have more of them. We can't afford anymore failure here...pensions, roads, financial rating, property taxes, jobs, Xanadu....the list goes on and on...
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Old 10-12-2016, 08:02 AM
 
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Casinos and NJ are a big fail...let's not have more of them. We can't afford anymore failure here...pensions, roads, financial rating, property taxes, jobs, Xanadu....the list goes on and on...
Too many casinos in AC was a big failure. If ones were put in north Jersey they would do fine.

But let's let all those jobs, taxes, and money go to New York, Pennsylvania, and Connecticut, right? The failure here is the lemmings that are falling for the "bad bet" commercials.
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Old 10-12-2016, 09:00 AM
 
Location: Gila County Arizona
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Too many casinos in AC was a big failure. If ones were put in north Jersey they would do fine.

But let's let all those jobs, taxes, and money go to New York, Pennsylvania, and Connecticut, right? The failure here is the lemmings that are falling for the "bad bet" commercials.


Well, I guess I've "fallen for it"...

Big NO !!!!!! here.

I wouldn't trust these "nit wits" in Trenton as far as I can throw them.

Wondering why.....

Track record. Strictly track record...

They haven't properly managed a single aspect of government in New Jersey in DECADES.
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