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Old Yesterday, 08:12 AM
 
Location: Wayne,NJ
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Some of the area Hospitals started paying employees $15 an hour. I can't wait to see what the Shady nursing homes is going to do.

Funny enough i started seeing self check outs pop up in stores again and tons of mcdonalds have touch screen machines.
Self checkouts have been around for at least 10yrs. Quik-Chek has had touch screens for ordering sandwiches for at least that long. That sort of technology has been planned long before talk of raising min wage to $15. As much as people order things on the internet this kind of tech isn't much different. I live near a college with a Quik-chek close by, sometimes the only thing open is the "self checkout". There is an attendant there but really only for lottery tickets.

Some people refer to McDonalds, etc. as entry level jobs for teenagers; well not during the day when school is in session. Also it's tough for a kid to participate in extra curricular activities, (stuff that looks good on college applications), while trying to hold down a job at McDonalds. Corporations want to get the human element out as much as they can. Look at robotic manufacturing and warehousing. Repetitive jobs a robot can complete over and over with no variance, no bathroom or coffee breaks, no sick time, union headaches, vacations, etc. When the robot has outlived it's usefulness, scrap value instead of a pension payment.

Lots of jobs that require a certain integrity and knowledge, don't pay near enough for what's required. Someone mentioned nursing homes, school aides, TSA personnel, all jobs requiring background checks, long hours on your feet, often nights, weekends and holidays, according to Glassdoor, only paying about $15-16hr. I don't think armored car guards get much either, yet they have to be licensed to carry firearms.

Years ago people used to complain about what plumbers were paid. Plumbers have to put up with a lot of "crap", when your toilet backs up on Thanksgiving, your happy they make a house call.
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Old Yesterday, 08:26 AM
 
Location: NJ
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Which would you prefer?

a) The minimum wage is set at $15, a ton of people get paid off and are unable to find work while kiosks pop up everywhere.

b) People who didn't go to school or majored in feminist dance therapy whine on the internet that they're unable to make more than $10 an hour and can't pay back the quarter million in college loans they took out.
I completely agree with both points. Liberals are always very short sighted with little to no understanding of basic business concepts. The Liberal (socialist) mentality is "Yay let's raise the minimum wage because we all work hard and deserve more money." Of course anyone with even a remote grasp of business understands that this translates to higher prices and/or layoffs.

Regarding point #2, our high school teachers and counselors need to do a better job preparing students for future careers. There is too much emphasis on "do what you love" or "pursue what interests you". Tell this to a 16 year old and you end up with people spending tens or even hundreds of thousands of dollars on a college education in liberal arts or virtually any other subject matter that will not translate to a viable career. What high schools need to focus on are a student's *skills* and then guide them into the future with recommendations on how to utilize those skills in their career choice. You may hate math, but if you're really good at it that may translate to a great career in business or finance.
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Old Yesterday, 08:49 AM
 
Location: NJ
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Gov. Murphy is clueless.

$15 an hour in 2024 will kill NJ as it will have a major domino effect on employment and prices.
well, it just happened in nyc so we should see what happens and learn from the experience.

my business operates in nyc and we are presently still figuring out where we are going to stand with covering it. i now have 2 employees working full time out of mexico and id like to expand that program. im looking to use more technology to reduce head count and reducing expenses elsewhere.

lifting the lower income earners probably doesnt put much money in their pocket because they tend to receive some form of public assistance. so its more of a transfer of that obligation and theoretically could save money for the government. but government doesnt save money so im not sure if that helps anything. i have to believe that raising the minimum wage will cost a good number of jobs.
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Old Yesterday, 09:02 AM
 
Location: NJ
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Used to be a woman in a guy's life gave him some incentive to up their lifestyle, go to school, get into an apprentice program.


If a guy got an entry level job at mcdonalds and his buddy who was an apprentice electrician, pulled up in a restored 389 GTO, that guy would be looking to get a higher paying job so he might afford perhaps a new Lemans, that looked like a GTO.


Point is there are enough incentives to spur people on to get better jobs, contribute to society and increase their quality of life. All good things prompted by incentive.


Entry level jobs are intended to be living wages for entry level workers/teenagers, who are expected to move on to better paying jobs for their and society's benefit.


Sure, raise minimum wage, do it on a sensible scale linked to some economic prompt, not try to rationalize it as a living wage for adults. That takes away incentive for many who would otherwise use creativity and imagination to better their lot in life. the government is doing its best to destabilize society by turning it from a dynamic, constantly improving society, into a lethargic, static moribund mess ensuring its death.


CO2 BAD! well CO2 is necessary for life as it prompts the body to take in oxygen and breathe. Nature provides incentives for the body to maintain life.


Democrat slippery slope leading to guaranteed income provided by the taxpayer thru the government breast.


Now children, we have to pass it to find out what is in it! are you okay with that? YES mommy dearest!
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Old Yesterday, 09:12 AM
 
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Self checkouts have been around for at least 10yrs. Quik-Chek has had touch screens for ordering sandwiches for at least that long. That sort of technology has been planned long before talk of raising min wage to $15. As much as people order things on the internet this kind of tech isn't much different. I live near a college with a Quik-chek close by, sometimes the only thing open is the "self checkout". There is an attendant there but really only for lottery tickets.
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The difference is that 10 years ago my shopritr had 2 self checkout lines and 14 registers. Now they have 12 self checkouts and 4 registers
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Old Yesterday, 09:20 AM
 
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I completely agree with both points. Liberals are always very short sighted with little to no understanding of basic business concepts. The Liberal (socialist) mentality is "Yay let's raise the minimum wage because we all work hard and deserve more money." Of course anyone with even a remote grasp of business understands that this translates to higher prices and/or layoffs.
And the Republican/Conservative mentality is that no one deserves any kind of help. Working poor who are forced to work two minimum wage jobs just to afford food and shelter do not need help and encouragement. They just need to work 14 hours every day.

But of course the major corporations with their CEO and executive teams earning millions can not be asked to pay a little more. Like fast food companies, other big companies that employ large amount of low skilled workers. According to Republicans, if those companies are forced to pay a little more, there will be a disaster. Something horrible like they stop donating to Republican campaigns.

On the other hand, I am not saying that $15 is sustainable everywhere. In NYC, it will probably be fine. Somewhere in poor Upstate NY, not so much. Similarly in NJ, I don't see a big deal in Northern/Central NJ. But for Southern NJ, this increase might lead to job losses. And I think that very small businesses need an exemption from this rule.

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Regarding point #2, our high school teachers and counselors need to do a better job preparing students for future careers. There is too much emphasis on "do what you love" or "pursue what interests you". Tell this to a 16 year old and you end up with people spending tens or even hundreds of thousands of dollars on a college education in liberal arts or virtually any other subject matter that will not translate to a viable career. What high schools need to focus on are a student's *skills* and then guide them into the future with recommendations on how to utilize those skills in their career choice. You may hate math, but if you're really good at it that may translate to a great career in business or finance.
I agree with some of your ideas. But on the other hand, everyone can not become an engineer. There just aren't enough technical jobs and a lot of people are just not that good in math and science. Usually when a young person pursues what interests them, they end up being good at what they do.

But I agree that high school teachers/parents/counselors need to be very realistic about career potential of English/Art History/Psychology degree. And definitely it is absolutely insane to go into debt borrowing huge amount of money for private college to major in a field that has no career potential...
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Old Yesterday, 09:54 AM
 
Location: Wayne,NJ
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The difference is that 10 years ago my shopritr had 2 self checkout lines and 14 registers. Now they have 12 self checkouts and 4 registers
In the past ten years you've had another generation come into the "weekly shopping for groceries" environment. This generation has probably never seen a dial telephone, always had smartphones, and is more tech friendly, so they're more accepting of self checkout registers. Also if there is a line at the human register and no lines at the self checkout, many people use them.

I tease one of the union deli workers at the Stop and Shop near me for using the self checkout. The deli help is union, the self checkout is not, therefore it doesn't help her pension plan, etc. She just says it's faster and she wants to get out of the store after being their all day. In a cutting her own throat. I live in North NJ where there was a huge Ford plant that shut down about 1975 or so. When it did the paper interviewed some of the workers. One remarked on the number of foreign cars in the parking lot, they helped cut their own throat. Quality control and management didn't help much either. I knew people that worked there and they would send defects out the line, "Let the dealership fix it." Great for production numbers, not for qc or customer satisfaction.
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Old Yesterday, 10:41 AM
 
Location: NJ
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The difference is that 10 years ago my shopritr had 2 self checkout lines and 14 registers. Now they have 12 self checkouts and 4 registers
The opposite has happened at my Shop Rite. A few years ago they introduced self checkout. After only 3 months they completely eliminated all the self checkout kiosks, citing "customer issues" as the problem (whatever that means). I have a feeling shoplifting was at least part of the reason. So they replaced the self checkout with *more* attended express registers.
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Old Yesterday, 10:51 AM
 
Location: NJ
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The opposite has happened at my Shop Rite. A few years ago they introduced self checkout. After only 3 months they completely eliminated all the self checkout kiosks, citing "customer issues" as the problem (whatever that means). I have a feeling shoplifting was at least part of the reason. So they replaced the self checkout with *more* attended express registers.
the problem is old people. as time passes, companies will have more success requiring people to use technology that should help reduce head count.
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Old Yesterday, 02:35 PM
 
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....... Quality control and management didn't help much either. I knew people that worked there and they would send defects out the line, "Let the dealership fix it." Great for production numbers, not for qc or customer satisfaction.
Not to 'jack the thread but books have been written about that subject.

The Reckoning by historian David Halberstam is an outstanding read on the subject, IMO.
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