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Old 09-07-2018, 11:25 AM
 
Location: NYC
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Ask any teacher, it doesn't matter you have an award winning teacher. The students in bad areas don't care about learning. Their parents expect you to make their kids as educated as kids in wealthier areas but they failed to administer discipline of their kids and teachers are supposed to teach not discipline their kids. Which is why well behaved children regardless of race do well even at underperforming schools.

I have relatives that went to bad HS in Brooklyn but is head and shoulders above 99% of the kids there because of parents.

it doesn't matter if kids in poor areas have 1 on 1 tutoring there is no hope unless the kids are well behave and willing to follow the teacher.
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Old 09-07-2018, 01:10 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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We’re not in Israel or Saudi Arabia

This is NJ ... look around..... yes, people go to THOSE KIND of churches too....
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Old 09-09-2018, 06:03 PM
 
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Ask any teacher, it doesn't matter you have an award winning teacher. The students in bad areas don't care about learning. Their parents expect you to make their kids as educated as kids in wealthier areas but they failed to administer discipline of their kids and teachers are supposed to teach not discipline their kids. Which is why well behaved children regardless of race do well even at under-performing schools.

I have relatives that went to bad HS in Brooklyn but is head and shoulders above 99% of the kids there because of parents.

it doesn't matter if kids in poor areas have 1 on 1 tutoring there is no hope unless the kids are well behave and willing to follow the teacher.

Low IQ people tend to earn less and also tend to cluster in lower income areas. Low IQ people tend to have Low IQ children as there is a substantial genetic contribution to IQ.


Is it any surprise that kids in bad areas struggle to learn? Is it any surprise that those kids who are unable to compete intellectually will often choose to disrupt the learning process while in class?

Certainly there are exceptions, but often those exceptions can't learn while surrounded by constant disruptions and by teachers who spend an inordinate amount of time attempting to deal with disruptions before they can possibly teach it.
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Old 09-11-2018, 08:32 AM
 
Location: Manchester Township, NJ
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Just a quick look at YouTube videos will show the horrors that teachers and those students who really want to learn are subjected to in a large amount of our schools. Bringing in students from "oppressed" areas will do nothing to help and will do more harm than good. They will simply bring their behavioral difficulties with them and if punished enough for it, will simply quit going to school, while ruining the educational experience for almost everybody.

The truth is that there are some who won't learn and/or can't learn, and no amount of money being thrown at the problem will change this. Just try to teach them reading, writing and basic arithmetic and let them go. Why make other students put up with them just to satisfy a bleeding heart fantasy? If I had school age children today I would do whatever it takes to put them in private school or, lacking that, to home school. I attended my niece's high school graduation this year and frankly was appalled at what I saw. Doubt if 50% of them could pass a competency exam at the end of their senior year.
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Old 09-11-2018, 10:13 AM
 
Location: New Jersey
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Which church? Is it okay that we make everyone a Southern Baptist or do they all need to be Catholic?
Whatever church or temple works for you.
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Old 09-12-2018, 09:27 AM
 
Location: NYC
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Low IQ people tend to earn less and also tend to cluster in lower income areas. Low IQ people tend to have Low IQ children as there is a substantial genetic contribution to IQ.


Is it any surprise that kids in bad areas struggle to learn? Is it any surprise that those kids who are unable to compete intellectually will often choose to disrupt the learning process while in class?

Certainly there are exceptions, but often those exceptions can't learn while surrounded by constant disruptions and by teachers who spend an inordinate amount of time attempting to deal with disruptions before they can possibly teach it.
IQ is one thing, lack of motivation has little to do with IQ. There are many well to do folks that have very low IQ but they work hard and picked a good profession. I know many guys making 6 figures doing construction or a trade and they work their butts off. They dropped out of school but had parents pushing them to pick up a trade. I've seen inner city families doing nothing but complain about their lack of opportunities while they sit on their butts at home watching the View and blame Trump.
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Old 09-20-2018, 12:48 AM
 
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Didn't Zuckerberg hand over a billion dollars to Newark city schools and it all got pissed away or embezzled by that crook Cory Booker?
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Old 09-20-2018, 08:00 AM
 
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A hundred million, and unfortunately a lot of it went to expensive consultants to help determine where it should be spent. A lot of the issues stem from the fact that the state had taken over the school district, which then resulted in a lot of administrators in the way. Most of it went to charter schools, which are less encumbered and more in touch with the areas they serve.

But frankly, you can't dump a lot of money on any problem and have it just go away. We are still seeing positive effects from that donation but it's going to take a while before a lot of those schools are on par with the rest of the state.
https://www.nj.com/essex/index.ssf/2...his_study.html
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Old 10-17-2018, 08:49 PM
 
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There is plenty of hard evidence that the government was complicit in enabling and even enforcing black/white segregation in the 20th century, especially after WWII. There was government-sanctioned "red-lining" and covenants which prevented blacks from moving to suburban and more desirable locations. As a result, hyper-segregation and multi-generational poverty has been the legacy of these nefarious practices. It's a sad stain on America.
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Old 10-17-2018, 09:34 PM
 
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There is plenty of hard evidence that the government was complicit in enabling and even enforcing black/white segregation in the 20th century, especially after WWII. There was government-sanctioned "red-lining" and covenants which prevented blacks from moving to suburban and more desirable locations. As a result, hyper-segregation and multi-generational poverty has been the legacy of these nefarious practices. It's a sad stain on America.
America certainly has some terrible history, like pretty much every parcel of land in the world.

If NJ's schools were forcibly segregated, I expect the vast majority of the populace would be against it. However this is not the case...people are free to move wherever they like. In most of NJ the schools are consistent with the population in the neighborhood the school serves. If, for some reason, someone wants their kids to go to school with kids of a certain skin color...they're more than welcome to the move to a town that serves that populace.

This is a non-issue.
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