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Old 12-01-2018, 07:58 AM
 
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"I hope this shocks the community, where we keep electing the spend, spend, spend Democrat politicians."

I guess that some people missed the detail regarding the fact that the Republican Christie administration engineered that failed "deal". That is the same administration that paid Panasonic $102 million to move ~11 miles, from Secaucus to Newark, and that paid $80 million to Goya foods to move from Secaucus to Jersey City.

https://www.nj.com/business/index.ss...panasonic.html

https://www.jerseycity.com/new-jerse...s-jersey-city/

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Old 12-01-2018, 09:25 AM
 
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Whether it's fatcat Republicans or tax-and-spend Democrats, NJ politicians are screwing up the business environment. NYC can get away with more because it's NYC, NJ can't tax that much. If we want businesses to stay here we need a better environment than that, and neither taxing out the wazoo nor taxing out the wazoo PLUS gimmicky incentives that companies will game works.
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Old 12-01-2018, 09:27 AM
 
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"I hope this shocks the community, where we keep electing the spend, spend, spend Democrat politicians."

I guess that some people missed the detail regarding the fact that the Republican Christie administration engineered that failed "deal". That is the same administration that paid Panasonic $102 million to move ~11 miles, from Secaucus to Newark, and that paid $80 million to Goya foods to move from Secaucus to Jersey City.

https://www.nj.com/business/index.ss...panasonic.html

https://www.jerseycity.com/new-jerse...s-jersey-city/

Just another in a long line of politicians who let NJ'ians down. We deserve so much more than we settle for.

Christie went into his 2nd term with about a 70% approval rate and squandered it. Really blew it.

That said, I thinks it's safe to say that in NJ the Ds have the most power, for better or worse is a matter of opinion.
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Old 12-01-2018, 09:34 AM
 
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A little history of what is now known as Honeywell. The predecessor began with the consolidation of some US chemical companies after WW1, some of which were German owned. The new company was called Allied Chemical and headquartered in Morristown. Then in the 1980s it decided to expand outside of chemicals and bought the Signal Corporation. Signal was an engineering company and among its subsidiaries was Garrett Co., which made small jet engines. Then it bought the Bendix Corporation another major engineering company with a big aerospace presence. Bendix flight Instrument Systems was based in Teterboro. One of its factories and development centers was located in the very small NEPA town of South Montrose, PA. In the early 1990s, this facility employed 1200 people including 100+ in the engineering department. Then Allied Signal decided to shut the facility down destroying the economy in that area and leaving the facility a Superfund Site. It made many other acquisitions including the Honeywell Corporation and changed its name to Honeywell. Big conglomerates like Honeywell pull a lot of financial shenanigans so reneging on a promise to New Jersey would not be unusual.
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Old 12-01-2018, 10:00 AM
 
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The reason they're leaving isn't because of a lack of incentives it's because we protect our workers. NC is a right to work state, which means they can treat their employees (their biggest cost) terribly and they can't do anything about it.

I will go and help pack for any company that wants to leave in order to treat their employees poorly.
What the hell are you talking about? Office workers don’t deserve to be in a union. Their jobs are not special and certainly not physically demanding.

We need to start deporting communists from NJ. That is the first step of improving this place.
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Old 12-01-2018, 10:00 AM
 
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56% of voters on election day 2017 voted for Governor Murphy. I believe many of them did so to voice opposition to Donald Trump's agenda and rhetoric. Elections have consequences. Governor Murphy, in just a short period of time in office, has already made New Jersey's business climate worse than it already was. Voting based on emotion has real life consequences not only for public policy, but for people's lives. The Governor signed into law a budget that increased the state's corporate business tax to the second highest in the country. Now, just months later, Honeywell is moving to North Carolina.

Vote Republican in 2019 and 2021!
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Old 12-01-2018, 10:02 AM
 
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True.

The old argument that "we have good schools because we pay high taxes" is delusional.

If that were the case people would be flocking to send their kids to Newark and Camden schools because they blow through enormous amounts of money.

I don't care what state you live in. If you live in a predominately white collar area with educated parents, who hold their children and local educators accountable, your schools are going to be good schools,

I've lived in the MW, SW and NE and always in good school districts. Same with many of my family members.
This is spot on. If you look at the top school districts in NJ, what do they all have in common? They are all upper class and upper middle class, predominantly white areas. The quality of NJ schools has nothing to do with taxes or how much money is thrown at the schools. We just happen to have a lot of wealthy communities and people with wealth generally value education more than poorer people in rural or inner city areas. States down south and in the midwest happen to have more of these poorer communities, and the quality of the education there will reflect that.
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Old 12-01-2018, 01:17 PM
 
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56% of voters on election day 2017 voted for Governor Murphy. I believe many of them did so to voice opposition to Donald Trump's agenda and rhetoric. Elections have consequences. Governor Murphy, in just a short period of time in office, has already made New Jersey's business climate worse than it already was. Voting based on emotion has real life consequences not only for public policy, but for people's lives. The Governor signed into law a budget that increased the state's corporate business tax to the second highest in the country. Now, just months later, Honeywell is moving to North Carolina.

Vote Republican in 2019 and 2021!
I see you ignore the post's about jobs coming to NJ.
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Old 12-01-2018, 02:55 PM
 
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I see you ignore the post's about jobs coming to NJ.
Thanks to Republicans cutting taxes and reducing regulations, the American economy is experiencing strong growth with the lowest unemployment since 1969 and rising wages. The issue in New Jersey, as it relates to the economy, isn't that we aren't growing, it's that we are lagging behind the rest of the nation. Whether it be increasing the corporate business tax, increasing the top income tax rate, excessive paid sick leave legislation, renewable energy requirements that are far too ambitious, and continuing the same failed policies of the past, Governor Murphy is not helping New Jersey grow more at best and will make us fall further behind at worst.
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Old 12-01-2018, 03:03 PM
 
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The issue in New Jersey, as it relates to the economy, isn't that we aren't growing, it's that we are lagging behind the rest of the nation. Whether it be increasing the corporate business tax, increasing the top income tax rate, excessive paid sick leave legislation, renewable energy requirements that are far too ambitious, and continuing the same failed policies of the past,
If you want to see how your approach really works, take a look at Kansas, where that state's economy was essentially destroyed by the policies of (Republican) Governor Brownback. In that state, he couldn't even be elected as dogcatcher at this point, after he thoroughly devastated Kansas's economy with the same types of policies that you extoll, and Chris Kobach, the GOP candidate who pledged to extend Brownback's failed policies, was defeated in his quest to be the next Governor.

The people of Kansas spoke, and the result was a rejection of the types of policies that you advocate:

https://thehill.com/opinion/finance/...cut-experiment

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