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Any thoughts about giving TENURESHIP for TEACHERS?
Here is my opinion:
DO AWAY WITH TENURESHIP FOR TEACHERS!
IT SERVES NO USEFUL PURPOSE WHATSOEVER!
The only people that will not agree with me are "the lazy teachers".
My wife is a teacher and she came from another country and does not understand the concept or purpose of tenureship. Imagine that? Bless her heart!
It is a reason for teachers to no longer have to work as hard, I don't care what you have to say, that is what happens in MOST cases. I've seen it and heard the stories through my wife, whom by the way monitored and wrote reports on several of these schools. She actually quit to take a break after working in Roselle, NJ. The principal, vice principal and few select teachers who were friends or "click" should I call it; were free to do pretty much as they please with no worry of retribution.
BTW: This school was in danger of being taken over by the state? This was about 2 years ago so I'm sure they have been by now, or should be.
They hired my wife because she would be the only teacher in the school with all the higher and continuing education and certificate requirements the school was required to have held by any of their teachers.
My wife was also to monitor and write a report to the state on the schools progress, and all within less than one school year!
As you can imagine the "click" sucked up to her and promised they would do what she recommended but once she wrote a report to the state saying they "were trying" and were working on improving, that "Being Nice" to say the least. They turned on her like a pack of wolves!
They got what they wanted and saved their hides for another year or two.
My wife quit after witnessing such misconduct from "the click" telling an elementary student they would never amount to anything and that he was a loser! How can you say that about such a young child? My wife complained and then the cold shoulder treatment started from the "Click" and they were quite the nasty group there. Nuff said about that, too much detail already.
I think parental involvement in their child’s education, study and school affairs far surpasses how much you pay the teachers HOWEVER you must still monitor the teachers closely to ensure they are doing their jobs "To the BEST of their ABILITY" and they MUST be qualified, attend continuous education and certification courses as mandated and use share the knowledge instead of hoarding it to remain the "Most Desirable, Valued" teacher in the school.
Imagine offering Tenureship to such an ingrate who cares more about themselves than the children.
Only after that is done we can "Expect" a parent to do their job in order for the teachers jobs to be easier and more desirable.
In today’s society a child’s upbringing is the top #1 factor to determine their future, the education system is number two! Except in cases where there is no #1, where the people in their environment whom they look up tool will take on that "parent figure" role.
Nobody can be blamed more for a child’s failures than their parents.
If the parent or parents instill good character and morals then the gangs, drug dealers and other losers out there in their age group shouldn't play such a large role to the extent they will want to follow in their foot steps.
"Be a role model for your own kids!" Quote by Victor M. Kaminski
The school systems are another story all together, usually it's not the amount of money they have, more about how they manage it, their staff and parental involvement in their child’s behavior and character development above all.
This topic has been done to death on the education forum. You are correct in many accounts. I am a teacher and find that many teachers are just the way you describe. However, for every lazy teacher there are many who are pulling their weight and doing a great job with our kids. How about saying something positive about those teachers instead of bemoaning the teachers who play the system (much like people play any other system out there)?
The people who deserve the recognition NEVER get it.
The people who deserve the recognition NEVER get it.
True, but imho, those who deserve it won't get it as long as there is tenure. Because the bar gets set low, the ones who end up practically flying over it won't get noticed. The ones who barely make it end up in the same category as a "worthwhile" teacher. I'm against tenure, and in support of rewarding those who truly deserve it.
Those who have shown they care, and work towards helping the students, should get the raise. When a teacher stagnates, so should their pay. When a teacher is a failure, such as the one mentioned by VictorKaminski, they should be tossed. Immediately.
I agree with tossing incompetent teachers, etc, but I don't see the bar being as low as you say in all schools. In schools where there is a lot of parental involvement, I do see the bar being higher.
Also, the tenure thing really is a sore topic for many. I'll be honest, to me it's a double-edged sword. I think it locks in some incompetents (which doesn't make anyone happy except the incompetent) but it also locks in some very good teachers who would be bounced by the school board to save money. If the administration is on top of things, they would take notice who has the potential to be a slacker and who is an exceptional teacher during the 3-year probationary period. Anyway, it's a sore topic and I don't think that there are any easy answers.
By the way Victor, I never did respond to one thing-regarding that 'click' as you called it. There is a 'click' like that in every school. I've taught in a few and they're everywhere. They're best ignored, to be honest.
And my last quote on my former post should really read that the people who deserve the recognition rarely get it. Sometimes they do, but for the minimal recognition that they do get, there is a lot of aggravation because of teacher stereotypes.
Be careful not to stereotype an entire profession based solely on the fact that there are incompetent/lazy/complacent and apathetic people in the profession, because there is no profession immune to those types, they are everywhere.
Also-regarding: "Only after that is done we can "Expect" a parent to do their job in order for the teachers jobs to be easier and more desirable."
I'm having trouble believing that you meant to say that you refuse to do your job as a parent unless the teachers did their jobs as educators. Is that what you were saying?
it also locks in some very good teachers who would be bounced by the school board to save money.
I would be completely, totally opposed to tenure if I knew that this wouldn't take place. Unfortunately, I'm absolutely certain it would, as it is currently almost impossible for a teacher who has taught for more than 10 years to switch districts (unless he/she is in one of the high demand fields). So many teachers would love to change districts later in their careers, but they are very often stuck.
Our educational system has many, many problems. While I belive tenure is one of them, I don't think eliminating tenure would be a cure-all for all the woes in the system.
This topic has been done to death on the education forum. You are correct in many accounts. I am a teacher and find that many teachers are just the way you describe. However, for every lazy teacher there are many who are pulling their weight and doing a great job with our kids. How about saying something positive about those teachers instead of bemoaning the teachers who play the system (much like people play any other system out there)?
The people who deserve the recognition NEVER get it.
Well it hasn't been done enough, not until Tenureship is eliminated. It's more waste, don't you think we have enough of that in big government, local government and our schools? If your not running for public office stay out of politics.
Other than being over done I agree with you, there are many good teachers out there however you didn't become a teacher for recognition did you?
Most people either become a teacher for the great benefits; they do have pretty awesome health care and retirement plans. Don't even try to deny that one
or because it can be a satisfying job knowing you were a great part of many children’s development and eventually graduation into adulthood, thinking just maybe they will be better, useful additions to society because of an impression you made on them. Well... at least that should be a main reason a teacher chooses the profession!
By the way if you do a really good job and work hard at it, there are professional awards and teacher of year awards and things like that handed out all the time to cover the recognition part.
BTW. This is even for the Excellent teachers, you do not deserve any recognition except negative if you stand by and watch other teachers abuse the system, children (mentally or physically) or just plain are not doing the job they were hired to their full potential and do not report them. Yes imagine that
Teachers should not be in it for the reward, if they do their job well, their reward will be knowing they helped a child and the NJ teacher’s salary and benefits don't hurt either .
So let's not mix words!
I'm a straight shooter and expect the same from others in these forums.
It's good when we do have great teachers, I love that!
BUT when there are so many bad ones out there abusing their position and not performing or obtaining additional teaching credentials and attending training classes which are required and SHOULD be used to share the knowledge with other teachers and students, our children and society are the ones that suffer because of it.
Teachers have a great impact on the future of our children, society and the planet but I don't think most of them either understand or care, many are just waiting for retirement!
To all the Great Teachers out there, I commend and congratulate you on a job well done. Sleep well
True, but imho, those who deserve it won't get it as long as there is tenure. Because the bar gets set low, the ones who end up practically flying over it won't get noticed. The ones who barely make it end up in the same category as a "worthwhile" teacher. I'm against tenure, and in support of rewarding those who truly deserve it.
Those who have shown they care, and work towards helping the students, should get the raise. When a teacher stagnates, so should their pay. When a teacher is a failure, such as the one mentioned by VictorKaminski, they should be tossed. Immediately.
Couldn't have said it better myself
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