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Old 02-08-2019, 06:35 PM
 
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As one of the most taxed states in the nation, we should look towards our representation in congress in order to lower our federal taxes as we are one of the biggest provider states in the nation. Oh that's right, they are all Dems and think we should all get f@cked with taxes...
Our federal taxes mostly go to prop up poor southern states like Georgia, South Carolina, Mississippi, Alabama, etc...because they either can't or won't pay their own way. If the tax dollar pipeline from the Northeast was shut off today the entire South would be broke by tomorrow.
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Old 02-08-2019, 07:45 PM
 
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Our federal taxes mostly go to prop up poor southern states like Georgia, South Carolina, Mississippi, Alabama, etc...because they either can't or won't pay their own way. If the tax dollar pipeline from the Northeast was shut off today the entire South would be broke by tomorrow.
and at this rate so will most of the property owners here in New Jersey...
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Old 02-08-2019, 08:55 PM
 
Location: Wayne,NJ
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As one of the most taxed states in the nation, we should look towards our representation in congress in order to lower our federal taxes as we are one of the biggest provider states in the nation. Oh that's right, they are all Dems and think we should all get f@cked with taxes...
"I left office with a lower deficit than when I entered office." Said NO Republican President since Eisenhower.
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Old 02-09-2019, 12:03 AM
 
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Our federal taxes mostly go to prop up poor southern states like Georgia, South Carolina, Mississippi, Alabama, etc...because they either can't or won't pay their own way. If the tax dollar pipeline from the Northeast was shut off today the entire South would be broke by tomorrow.
Isn't that what the left wants tax dollars to do?

Help those who can't help themselves?

But it's an issue based on where these folks live?

Can't have it both ways.
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Old 02-09-2019, 11:31 AM
 
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Isn't that what the left wants tax dollars to do?

Help those who can't help themselves?

But it's an issue based on where these folks live?

Can't have it both ways.
That's the cruel joke. Congressional Democrats in the Northeast are all too happy to give our federal tax dollars away and so-called "conservative" Congressional Republicans in the South and Midwest are all too happy to gorge themselves at the trough-feeding on the income of Northeasterners like so many greedy hogs, all while wagging their fingers about the need for lower taxes.
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Old 02-09-2019, 02:15 PM
 
Location: NJ
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Our federal taxes mostly go to prop up poor southern states like Georgia, South Carolina, Mississippi, Alabama, etc...because they either can't or won't pay their own way. If the tax dollar pipeline from the Northeast was shut off today the entire South would be broke by tomorrow.
im not aware of this. what programs do federal tax dollars go to that are primarily for propping out poor southern states?
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Old 02-09-2019, 02:16 PM
 
Location: NJ
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As North Beach Person said, it depends on the structure. Go to your town's website and find the budget page. If your town owns and operates its town sewer system there will be at least two budgets, a municipal budget for all municipal services (DPW, Finance, Police, Fire, etc...) and a sewer utility budget. If your town owns and operates its own water system, it may have a water utility budget as well. Madison and Milltown operate their own electric utilities, so they have budget for those. High Bridge has a golf course, so there is a utility budget for that, and so on and so forth. Download the budget for the utility and you can see where and how the money is spent.

Utility budgets are intended to keep user fees from being just funneled into the general municipal budget where they can be used for anything as opposed to maintenance, operation, and improvement of the utility itself. Right now, sewer utility funds cannot be used for stormwater improvements simply because its not part of the sewer system. The only way a town might justify to its auditors (and residents) that sewer utility money could be used for stormwater improvements would be a scenario where a deficiency in the storm system was causing problems in the sewer system, ie: flooding in a given area which was causing stormwater to flow into the sanitary sewer, which is referred to as "Infiltration and Inflow" or "I&I." Allowing stormwater into the sanitary system drives up treatment costs as there is more water flowing through the plant than there needs to be, increasing electricity costs, chemical costs, sludge hauling costs, and wear and tear on equipment. At its worst, it can cause backups into homes if there is a large volume of stormwater pouring in. Either way, that would be a plausible situation where sewer funds could be used to fix a stormwater problem, but run of the mill street flooding would not be.
i did take a peek at the budget the other day for only a few minutes and saw a $2,000 item for sewer. so ill need to look harder to find out more info.
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Old 02-09-2019, 02:18 PM
 
Location: NJ
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the mystery of why curbs and sewers are suddenly being constructed on rural roads. No sewers, no impervious surface tax!
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Old 02-09-2019, 02:19 PM
 
Location: NJ
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It would depend on how it's structured.

There are usually two components in a water or sewer bill. One component is for cost of operations, supply, treatment, getting it to/away from you. That includes an amount, usually, for maintenance. The second component is for capital projects, typically paying off the bonds used to construct and upgrade the system or to expand it.

Here we get a quarterly water/sewer bill that just covers the first item, cost of operations. On our yearly property tax bill we get a separate special assessment charge for the capital category (note, this can be called a benefit charge, front foot benefit charge, capital benefit charge. A bunch of different names) which is paid with the property taxes.

We don't take storm water management out of sewer revenues but the General Fund.
thanks. im not an expert on storm run off (or even the least bit knowledgeable). i was looking around at peoples homes and i was wondering how much of the run off is really roads vs people's driveways and business lots. a lot of driveways didnt even seem like they would direct the water to the road (mine does). maybe they are and i just dont see it.
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Old 02-09-2019, 02:41 PM
 
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im not aware of this. what programs do federal tax dollars go to that are primarily for propping out poor southern states?
Social Security Disability, Temporary Assistance to Needy Families (aka welfare) Foodstamps, Medicaid, etc... If you look at those programs alone you'll that the southern states gobble up over 65% of the funds. The federal Department of Education dumps billions into their schools while giving ours next to nothing. The list goes on and on...
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