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Old 08-22-2019, 11:50 AM
 
Location: Redneckville, NJ
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Here's a question. When these illegal people graduate after getting free and/or cheap college on the legal tax payer's dime, how are they going to get jobs? Won't they still be illegal and undocumented?
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Old 08-22-2019, 11:52 AM
 
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Sorry but two wrongs don't make a right.

Just because Obama gave them a nice label (Dreamers) they are still here illegally and American citizens should have the 1st opportunity to tax payers money.
It’s not like the money would go to American kids if it wasn’t going to these kids. It would go to some pork project or something else. They’re not taking anything away from American kids. It’s not like there was this pot of money budgeted for scholarships, and they decided to give some of it to these kids. It was an additional sum they decided to provide, to the sum that is already available for American kids. If they don’t give it to the dreamers it won’t go to American born kids either. And again, they have to earn it. Many of these kids have never set foot in Mexico and have live their entire lives in New Jersey and gone through the New Jersey public school system. It is counterproductive not to want them not to be as highly educated and contributing as much as possible.
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Old 08-22-2019, 11:55 AM
 
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Here's a question. When these illegal people graduate after getting free and/or cheap college on the legal tax payer's dime, how are they going to get jobs? Won't they still be illegal and undocumented?
I don’t know how that works but that is why we need a Dreamers Act and a path to citizenship, so they can fully integrate and be productive citizens. There was a deal that would have done this as well as provide a $25 billion for the border wall, but Trump walked away from it due to Stephen Miller telling him to. It was a stupid decision, it was a compromise everyone could’ve been happy with and it would’ve made the situation exponentially better than it is now for everyone.
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Old 08-22-2019, 11:58 AM
 
Location: New Jersey
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Then the only conclusion I can draw from this is that you lack the ability to feel empathy. You are still punishing someone for something they did not choose in life. You are still holding them back from being normal members of society.

And, guess what? Citizens do get financial aid. They already have access to it.

And, guess what else? The parents of Dreamers do pay taxes.
Stop kidding yourself. The take more than then give.

Try this crap in another country and you will end up in prison.
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Old 08-22-2019, 02:50 PM
 
Location: Northern NJ/Amagansett, NY
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I don’t know how that works but that is why we need a Dreamers Act and a path to citizenship, so they can fully integrate and be productive citizens. There was a deal that would have done this as well as provide a $25 billion for the border wall, but Trump walked away from it due to Stephen Miller telling him to. It was a stupid decision, it was a compromise everyone could’ve been happy with and it would’ve made the situation exponentially better than it is now for everyone.
People like to say this, but actually, Schumer took that $25M off the table before Trump gave an answer. He had pressure from his side of the aisle who wanted zero wall funding.
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Old 08-22-2019, 04:09 PM
 
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Here's a question. When these illegal people graduate after getting free and/or cheap college on the legal tax payer's dime, how are they going to get jobs? Won't they still be illegal and undocumented?
"As a recipient of Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA), you will be provided an Employment Authorization card (work permit)."
https://citizenpath.com/employment-rights-daca/

"DHS has generally permitted aliens who obtain relief under the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program to seek employment in the United States. Aliens who qualify for DACA relief—namely, certain aliens who came to the United States as children, lack lawful immigration status, and have not engaged in activities that render them ineligible for relief—may be permitted to remain in the United States and receive work authorization for renewable two-year periods."
https://fas.org/sgp/crs/homesec/LSB10244.pdf

"On June 15, 2012, the Secretary of Homeland Security announced that certain people who came to the United States as children and meet several key guidelines may request consideration of deferred action for a period of two years, subject to renewal, and would then be eligible for work authorization."
https://www.uscis.gov/archive/freque...sked-questions

So yes, DACA recipients can legally work in the US. The entire purpose of DACA is to give some of the most upstanding people in the US a quasi-legal status, basically on the basis of empathy that they were dragged here as children. They are not considered the same as someone who has completed the entire immigration process start to finish, but they are not treated like someone who just hopped the border yesterday. Additionally, the criteria is very stringent, meaning these people are basically some of the most upstanding neighbors you could ask for. You should be so lucky to have a DACA recipient as your neighbor rather than a career criminal citizen. They technically have documentation that gives them a semi-legal status to live as close to a normal American life as possible. However, they are still shut out of receiving financial aid for college.
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Old 08-22-2019, 05:50 PM
 
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People like to say this, but actually, Schumer took that $25M off the table before Trump gave an answer. He had pressure from his side of the aisle who wanted zero wall funding.

You're right, I didn't realize that. I feel like we're at a point now no one will compromise. There is nothing worse than both parties being run by the extremists. I think the wall is a stupid ego trip, but I'll give him some money if that's the sticking point. Miller will never let him agree to a DACA deal though.
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Old 08-22-2019, 07:12 PM
 
Location: Union City, NJ
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Here's a question. When these illegal people graduate after getting free and/or cheap college on the legal tax payer's dime, how are they going to get jobs? Won't they still be illegal and undocumented?
They marry Americans for papers. Either legitimately or the going rate, if you’re interested, is about $15,000. I know a guy
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Old 08-22-2019, 07:40 PM
 
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Looks like Dems care more about illegals than US NJ citizens.
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More than 700 undocumented students received more than $3.8 million in college financial aid for the first year during which New Jersey made the aid available to those without legal status.

The figures, provided by the state Higher Education Assistance Authority, show that 749 students in total received the aid during both the fall and spring semesters of the 2018-19 school year. Most of the aid, more than $3.5 million, was awarded under the New Jersey Tuition Aid Grant, or TAG program.

https://www.app.com/story/news/new-j...ts/2049343001/
LOL, made up thread....................,republicans will stop at nothing .
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Old 08-23-2019, 12:11 AM
 
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I don't see how it's a problem that some people are seeking to better themselves and their community by attending college. Would you prefer that these people stay poor and under-educated their entire lives? Or would you prefer that they get a chance to succeed and live up to their full potentials as tax-paying, upstanding individuals?

DACA recipients can remain in the US in a quasi-legal status. However, they are ineligible for tuition assistance in any way shape or form because a social security number is required to complete a FAFSA. DACA recipients do not get SSNs. Therefore, they will not be eligible for any financial aid.

By NJ giving undocumented immigrants financial aid, it opens the doors for these individuals to become better functioning members of society. Without access to higher education, many DACA recipients would not be able to attain anything higher than a high school level education. Those with only a high school education generally earn less money than those with a college degree. Therefore, allowing undocumented immigrants, especially those who are DACA recipients, to attend college, we are allowing them to better themselves and get a better education. That, in turn, will likely lead to them having a higher income. If they have a higher income, they can better support themselves, and they will not be dependent on social services like so many conservatives think all undocumented immigrants are.

I, for one, would rather invest in undocumented immigrants at a young age. Allow them to become better educated. Allow them to get better jobs. They will contribute to our society in other ways and be able to raise kids and support themselves without government involvement. Isn't that what you guys want from immigrants? Self-sustaining individuals who are not reliant on the government? This is just a small investment of around an average $5k per student that will allow them to contribute far more than $5k back into the government.
How about deporting them because they broke the damn law by entering a country they shouldn't be in? Foreign people laugh at internal politics in America. In no country are illegals treated better than legal immigrants, and citizens. But then again no country has a political party pandering for mexican votes.

Why don't we let 5 Billion dirt poor people in... help them all get educated+learn english... and maybe they'll sustain themselves, and pay the country back for all the free money they received? WHAT A BRILLIANT PLAN

Im sure 5 Billion skilled jobs await these people, and I'm sure all of them will make it to the college level... none of them will commit crime.

All the free services illegals get should be matched with the same dollar amounts going to legals, and citizens. Its only fair for everyone to get ahead.

I'm sure NJ has enough $150,000-$250,000 earning+ tax paying households to sustain all these people... their money needs to be spread around.

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