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Old 09-23-2019, 11:26 AM
 
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Hi everyone. Am considering taking at job at Columbia University Medical Center/New York Presbyterian hospital. Would like to live in Bergen and plan to commute by car across the GW Bridge, schedule is such that rush hour traffic wouldn't be a big problem.Would like to be in roughly the eastern half of Bergen so there isn't too much traversing of Bergen involved in the commute (ie not Mahwah area).


In terms of houses, newer construction is preferable, but we'll consider anything built in the 1950s to present as long as its been updated, maintained, and has an open floorplan. Ideally would be 1990s or newer. Really would like to be somewhere where the houses are not so close to each other and are "set back" a little bit. Lots of green and trees, would be great. A nice big attached garage would be great as well. Budget is $1.3M and under, but with a strong consideration to the taxes.



So far have looked at:
Alpine- not much in price range, but low taxes

Englewood Cliffs- Low taxes, but not great housing stock, also Wikipedia says 15% poverty rate- yikes

Cresskill- Seems really nice, taxes not terrible

Demarest- Also seems really nice
Oradell- A little further, but seems good
Saddle River- Older houses but low taxes

Upper Saddle River- Great houses but high tax
Tenafly- Nice, but brutal taxes
Oakland- Seems less expensive, but great houses, am I missing something?


Any other suggestions are appreciated as well as info about these towns. What are the vibes like Don't currently have kids in school, but still want to live in a fairly good school district in case we ever put the house on the market.
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Old 09-23-2019, 12:10 PM
 
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Be careful when using Wikipedia for information.

I don’t believe that Englewood Cliffs has that high of a poverty rate; it’s an extremely wealthy area. If that data is even true to begin with then perhaps Englewood Cliffs is being lumped in with Englewood proper (which does have a poorer section).

It’s also possible that some kind of anomaly (like senior housing) could be skewing the numbers; or of course, the data may be very old..

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Old 09-23-2019, 12:14 PM
 
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Most of East bergen is nice.


Lots of Asians. Lot of diversity.

Bigger house more tax. You decide. So easy a task.
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Old 09-23-2019, 01:36 PM
 
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Look at Haworth, Harrington park, demarest or oradell. Btw, Englewood cliffs is zoned for Dwight morrow hs which is not good. There are some bargains at your price range so you may get a great deal, especially now that the school year has started.
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Old 09-23-2019, 09:14 PM
 
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Look into Paramus. You want to live close to route 4....would save you the headache of driving through all those local roads.
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Old 09-23-2019, 10:53 PM
 
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Hi everyone. Am considering taking at job at Columbia University Medical Center/New York Presbyterian hospital. Would like to live in Bergen and plan to commute by car across the GW Bridge, schedule is such that rush hour traffic wouldn't be a big problem.Would like to be in roughly the eastern half of Bergen so there isn't too much traversing of Bergen involved in the commute (ie not Mahwah area).


In terms of houses, newer construction is preferable, but we'll consider anything built in the 1950s to present as long as its been updated, maintained, and has an open floorplan. Ideally would be 1990s or newer. Really would like to be somewhere where the houses are not so close to each other and are "set back" a little bit. Lots of green and trees, would be great. A nice big attached garage would be great as well. Budget is $1.3M and under, but with a strong consideration to the taxes.



So far have looked at:
Alpine- not much in price range, but low taxes

Englewood Cliffs- Low taxes, but not great housing stock, also Wikipedia says 15% poverty rate- yikes

Cresskill- Seems really nice, taxes not terrible

Demarest- Also seems really nice
Oradell- A little further, but seems good
Saddle River- Older houses but low taxes

Upper Saddle River- Great houses but high tax
Tenafly- Nice, but brutal taxes
Oakland- Seems less expensive, but great houses, am I missing something?


Any other suggestions are appreciated as well as info about these towns. What are the vibes like Don't currently have kids in school, but still want to live in a fairly good school district in case we ever put the house on the market.

What you're missing in Oakland is that it's a lengthier drive. It's further out than Oradell, and it IS the Mahwah area. It's adjacent to Mahwah! You have to go the full length of Route 208, which at rush hour is a long, slow crawl. However, you said you will be on off-hours, so that won't be an issue. Still, it is northwest Bergen, not eastern. So is Upper/and Saddle River.

Just FYI, before I got past your first two paragraphs, my brain said "Demarest". Only ever knew one couple who actually lived there that I visited, but I was to the town for other reasons over the years.

The couple I knew did not have children, but they lived in a good-sized house with a large, treed yard on a quiet street that would be very marketable to a family down the road. It's a nice town and should be a fairly easy commute to GWB. My friend who lives there drove through the Lincoln Tunnel every day, which is the next crossing further south. Even that seemed to work out well for her from there.
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Old 09-23-2019, 10:57 PM
 
Location: Coastal New Jersey
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Be careful when using Wikipedia for information.

I don’t believe that Englewood Cliffs has that high of a poverty rate; it’s an extremely wealthy area. If that data is even true to begin with then perhaps Englewood Cliffs is being lumped in with Englewood proper (which does have a poorer section).

It’s also possible that some kind of anomaly (like senior housing) could be skewing the numbers; or of course, the data may be very old..
I agree. That sounds wrong. Englewood Cliffs and Englewood are two completely different communities.
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Old 09-23-2019, 11:22 PM
 
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When the taxes are low, prices are higher. Homes in alpine and englewood cliffs are more expensive for that reason with taxes unusually low for NJ.
Oakland is far and that is reflected in the house price.
When driving across the gwb, the palisades approach is usually better than rt 4 or 80.
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Old 09-24-2019, 05:24 AM
 
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I agree. That sounds wrong. Englewood Cliffs and Englewood are two completely different communities.
When I did a little more digging, it appears that that the 15% poverty rate was completely fabricated. A prime example of why not to trust Wikipedia. When you check a more credible source like the US Census Bureau - here is what comes up:

Englewood Cliffs poverty rate: 2.2%
Englewood (city) poverty rate: 9.4%

... Neither come close to 15%. Heck, not even a place like Hackensack has hit the 15% mark.

https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fa...rsey/PST045218

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Old 09-24-2019, 09:37 AM
 
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What you're missing in Oakland is that it's a lengthier drive. It's further out than Oradell, and it IS the Mahwah area. It's adjacent to Mahwah! You have to go the full length of Route 208, which at rush hour is a long, slow crawl. However, you said you will be on off-hours, so that won't be an issue. Still, it is northwest Bergen, not eastern. So is Upper/and Saddle River.

Just FYI, before I got past your first two paragraphs, my brain said "Demarest". Only ever knew one couple who actually lived there that I visited, but I was to the town for other reasons over the years.

The couple I knew did not have children, but they lived in a good-sized house with a large, treed yard on a quiet street that would be very marketable to a family down the road. It's a nice town and should be a fairly easy commute to GWB. My friend who lives there drove through the Lincoln Tunnel every day, which is the next crossing further south. Even that seemed to work out well for her from there.

Thanks! Very helpful. Oakland was appealing because of the hilly nature, but if traffic is a problem that's no good. Demarest sounds pretty good.

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