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Old 09-28-2019, 03:29 PM
 
Location: NJ
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The insane reason is that back in the 1950s, David Rockefeller was in charge of the Downtown-Lower Manhattan Association, and had an idea to revitalize the eastern part of downtown by building an international commerce center there.

They (NY politicians) decided to use the Port Authority to build it, but since it's a bi-state agency, Jersey said, "what do we get out of it?"

The privately-owned Hudson and Manhattan RR that owned the tubes was going bankrupt, but the service was needed to move Jersey commuters to the city, so the NY side of the PA said to the NJ side, "Give us the OK on building this, and we'll run the H&M system at a loss and build our trade center on the Hudson side over the train station for the convenience of the Jersey people."

Insanity 'splained.

Nobody cared that the PA owned the WTC because they paid a PILOT to the city that they didn't get in taxes from the little radio parts shops that had been there before--until the late 1990s when the WTC began to make money. Then it was pushed to lease the buildings. It did, and the lease is still in effect, modified, of course to reflect the present structures and business situation.

The PA still owns the land and the PATH system, which it continues to run at a loss, as well as the below-grade train station and the main train hall known as the Oculus.
evil and insanity. what incredible government overreach and abuse. just sell it asap. i cant believe they get away with this. they have no business owning and leasing real estate.

and that whole nj "what do we get out of it" thing is insane. they shouldnt be negotiating deals for their respective government overreach. they should do what they are supposed to do; not venture out into real estate development. if any of these people are alive today they should be locked in prison.
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Old 09-28-2019, 03:59 PM
 
Location: Coastal New Jersey
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evil and insanity. what incredible government overreach and abuse. just sell it asap. i cant believe they get away with this. they have no business owning and leasing real estate.

and that whole nj "what do we get out of it" thing is insane. they shouldnt be negotiating deals for their respective government overreach. they should do what they are supposed to do; not venture out into real estate development. if any of these people are alive today they should be locked in prison.
I think David Rockefeller died a few years ago, past the age of 100. Too late! You're screaming about something that happened almost sixty years ago. I think it's safe to say that all the decision-makers are singing with the bleedin' choir invisible.

Port Authority is not "government", as you know. It can collect no taxes and gets no tax revenue, nor can it make any laws.

But a public authority should NOT be in the commercial real estate business. That most people agree upon, which is why the buildings over the PATH train station were built and are owned by Silverstein Properties, Inc., in accordance with the net lease signed in 2001, except for One World Trade Center which is owned by WTC LLC and the Durst Corporation. That one Silverstein had to turn over in accordance with the Master Agreement for the post 9/11 site redevelopment.
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Old 09-28-2019, 04:39 PM
 
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While that can and does happen, it's not as frequent or widespread as some of you want it to be. IIRC, McGreevey was known as having the biggest number of political appointees in the PA with a couple hundred, and most of them suddenly disappeared once he was gone.

Unless you're completely on the bottom of the IQ scale, you know that most of the PA's 7000+ employees are not political appointees.

Most of the time I find that the people who believe that everyone in the PA is a political appointee, most of whom are found in the newspaper comments sections, seem to be people whose career highlight consists of handing burgers through a little window or writing names on coffee cups.

We have to do some thinking here. Most of the top positions in the agencies, especially that of department directors are quite obviously NOT political appointees because a) they've been there for 30 years, and b) no one in the private world would take those jobs for what they pay.


The heads are political appointees right?
That's bad enough.
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Old 09-28-2019, 04:53 PM
 
Location: Coastal New Jersey
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The heads are political appointees right?
That's bad enough.
The heads are the governors, who appoint the board members.

I was talking about staff/employees.
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Old 09-28-2019, 06:38 PM
 
Location: New Jersey/Florida
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The heads are political appointees right?
That's bad enough.
Correct, not the most qualified. The most politically connected, damn shame. Politics, Did we forget Bridgegate already with Christie and his hacks diverting traffic because the mayor of Ft. Lee wouldn't endorse him
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Old 09-28-2019, 07:14 PM
 
Location: Coastal New Jersey
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Correct, not the most qualified. The most politically connected, damn shame. Politics, Did we forget Bridgegate already with Christie and his hacks diverting traffic because the mayor of Ft. Lee wouldn't endorse him
?
And they always have real estate and/or legal backgrounds, it seems. Not transportation, not aviation, not rail, not public administration.
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Old 09-28-2019, 09:49 PM
 
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The carpool program discount is eliminated too on Jan 5th.... Damn, i enjoyed carpooling from Ft.Lee back to Washington Heights. it was so fast since there was always a line of cars available.
source?
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Old 09-28-2019, 10:15 PM
 
Location: Coastal New Jersey
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source?
Second page, first line item.

https://www.panynj.gov/press-room/pd...n-schedule.pdf
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Old 09-29-2019, 07:59 AM
 
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We need to get Greta to bring the carpool discount back...

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Old 09-29-2019, 09:02 AM
 
Location: Coastal New Jersey
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^ Hahaha. How will they do it, though, with all-electronic tolling? That's the problem. Don't you need a human to count the number of people in a car?
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