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Old 09-29-2019, 09:28 AM
 
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^ Hahaha. How will they do it, though, with all-electronic tolling? That's the problem. Don't you need a human to count the number of people in a car?
Have a lane designated for carpool and require the driver to roll down all windows for a picture. There should be a way that the camera can count the # of human faces within the car.
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Old 09-29-2019, 09:47 AM
 
Location: Coastal New Jersey
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Have a lane designated for carpool and require the driver to roll down all windows for a picture. There should be a way that the camera can count the # of human faces within the car.
I'm sure the technology exists and/or can be developed, and I was thinking about that, actually, but people will be driving through with mannequins and whatnot in the car to get the lower rate. They tried that even when a human was in the booth, remember?
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Old 09-29-2019, 10:00 AM
 
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I'm sure the technology exists and/or can be developed, and I was thinking about that, actually, but people will be driving through with mannequins and whatnot in the car to get the lower rate. They tried that even when a human was in the booth, remember?
LOL.. I remember that but the average person would not got to that length to get a discount. Only a rare and dedicated few.

Or maybe Port Authority can work with the Waze Carpool app.
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Old 09-29-2019, 11:58 AM
 
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PA knows NJ voters are easy pickings and cannot or will not do anything to effectively fight the increases.


they rely on NJ residents to blow off steam in editorials and forums.


If there were a list of states that exhibited the most tolerance for fraud and inefficiency in government agencies, NJ would be finally be number 1!
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Old 09-29-2019, 04:06 PM
 
Location: Coastal New Jersey
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PA knows NJ voters are easy pickings and cannot or will not do anything to effectively fight the increases.


they rely on NJ residents to blow off steam in editorials and forums.


If there were a list of states that exhibited the most tolerance for fraud and inefficiency in government agencies, NJ would be finally be number 1!
And also the determination to remain ignorant because it's easier just to spout off the same old lines. No one will ever take them seriously.

Whenever I look at newspaper articles when these sort of increases occur, you get the same stupid people saying the same stupid things. "All the employees are in no-show patronage jobs". "All the contracts go to friends of the politicians". "What are they spending money on?"

Of course they're going to get ignored, because all but a tiny percentage of the employees are NOT in no-show patronage jobs. (And Commissioners, the members of the Board that approve things like increases, are unpaid political appointees, which amazingly, so many people don't seem to be able to understand. When they got rid of that woman Commissioner who went off on the cops last year, people were going off about her big salary and pension, neither of which existed.) They're not in it for the money, they are in for the power and/or prestige.) It is close to impossible for a Commissioner to "hand" a contract to anyone, given the stringent procurement processes.

As to what the PA and other agencies spend money on, the answers are right there on the public websites. What contracts were awarded for what work, who won the contract, the value of the contract. Nobody ever seems to actually LOOK at any of this.

Perhaps if someone played intelligent, reviewed the proposed capital plan, and went to one of these hearings and asked specific, pointed questions, such as "Is it really necessary to put THAT much into the redevelopment of JFK, or could it be spread out over 20 years instead of 10", or "Is there any way to apply for federal funding to pay for part of the PABT replacement" they would get listened to. Maybe they wouldn't. But if people just yell "Six-figure salaries for no-show positions!" and "Patronage jobs!" and "Graft!" they will immediately be dismissed, because no one will take them seriously. It will be obvious that they're either blowing smoke out of their asses or are too stupid to have gathered any actual facts.

There's one guy on one of the news outlets who is constantly droning on about Port Authority employees getting free EZ-Pass. Yup, PA employees traditionally got passes (used to be paper coupons) to use at Port Authority bridges and tunnels, which eventually was converted to EZ-Pass. It was an employee benefit. It was taken away about 10 years ago, but still, this lame idiot shows up to complain about it every time there's an article about the Port Authority.

There's plenty to question and to complain about without playing stupid.
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Old 09-29-2019, 05:08 PM
 
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But if people just yell "Six-figure salaries for no-show positions!" and "Patronage jobs!" and "Graft!" they will immediately be dismissed, because no one will take them seriously. It will be obvious that they're either blowing smoke out of their asses or are too stupid to have gathered any actual facts.
But... Why should someone base his posts on actual facts, when it is just so much easier to spew nonsense that is not supported by factual information?

Please bear in mind that the person to whom you were responding has posted statements affirming that Puerto Rico is an independent nation , and that US Senators have a strictly-defined "district" rather than being elected on a state-wide basis .

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Old 09-29-2019, 09:05 PM
 
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^ Hahaha. How will they do it, though, with all-electronic tolling? That's the problem. Don't you need a human to count the number of people in a car?
the cashless tolls aren't coming until 2021. this is a cash grab.
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Old 09-29-2019, 10:16 PM
 
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the cashless tolls aren't coming until 2021. this is a cash grab.
Well allrighty then.
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Old 09-29-2019, 10:34 PM
 
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PA knows NJ voters are easy pickings and cannot or will not do anything to effectively fight the increases.


they rely on NJ residents to blow off steam in editorials and forums.


If there were a list of states that exhibited the most tolerance for fraud and inefficiency in government agencies, NJ would be finally be number 1!
The proof is right here with posters claiming insane tolls are the norm across the country and (from another thread) NJ is as good as it gets and you get what you pay for. I guess in this case close to $20 gets you the luxury to cross a bridge.
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Old 09-29-2019, 11:05 PM
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Only in the corrupt Tristate area
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Nonsense.
This crap goes on all across the US.
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The proof is right here with posters claiming insane tolls are the norm across the country and (from another thread) NJ is as good as it gets and you get what you pay for. I guess in this case close to $20 gets you the luxury to cross a bridge.
Reading is an important skill.

Corruption is universal and not unique to the "Tristate" area that was referenced in your post. I did not say anything about tolls.

The tolls in this region are an abomination.
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