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Old 10-24-2019, 02:43 PM
 
Location: NJ
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Clearly they don’t. That’s why they are always sick and many have diabetes, heart disease and have weight issues at a young age.
that is an emotional appeal rather than a statement of fact. making poor diet decisions isnt the same as being hungry.
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Old 10-24-2019, 02:54 PM
 
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that is an emotional appeal rather than a statement of fact. making poor diet decisions isnt the same as being hungry.
That is a fact
https://frac.org/wp-content/uploads/...well-being.pdf

https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...49379716303099

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2806885/

I have studied this topic extensively and have worked in this field and I can say you are 100% wrong.
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Old 10-24-2019, 03:01 PM
 
Location: Union City, NJ
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that is an emotional appeal rather than a statement of fact. making poor diet decisions isnt the same as being hungry.


How dare you challenge his/her dieting facts. Their username is foodyum, clearly an expert!
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Old 10-24-2019, 03:06 PM
 
Location: NJ
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That is a fact
https://frac.org/wp-content/uploads/...well-being.pdf

https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...49379716303099

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2806885/

I have studied this topic extensively and have worked in this field and I can say you are 100% wrong.
those articles arent as supported as your claim as you would like to believe they are. bad diet decisions that lead to poor health isnt the same as hunger. you can eat very healthily and spend very little on food. people arent hungry because they cant afford (with assistance for some) a healthy diet.
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Old 10-24-2019, 03:20 PM
 
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How dare you challenge his/her dieting facts. Their username is foodyum, clearly an expert!
Yes. I am an expert on this. For good or bad I know a lot about food and nutrition and poverty and have studied and worked in the field- mostly in Paterson, newark and Passaic. Maybe you guys know more?
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Old 10-24-2019, 03:24 PM
 
Location: NJ
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Yes. I am an expert on this. For good or bad I know a lot about food and nutrition and poverty and have studied and worked in the field- mostly in Paterson, newark and Passaic. Maybe you guys know more?
you working in the field doesnt mean anything except you now fancy yourself an expert. there are a lot of people in the field who think they are saving starving children by providing them food in school. if the school doesnt feed them, the parents will. in the small % of that group that dont; thats abuse.

people dont get fat because they cant afford healthy food. rolled oats cost about 80 cents a pound and if that was 80% of your diet you would likely be thin and healthy.
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Old 10-24-2019, 03:41 PM
 
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you working in the field doesnt mean anything except you now fancy yourself an expert. there are a lot of people in the field who think they are saving starving children by providing them food in school. if the school doesnt feed them, the parents will. in the small % of that group that dont; thats abuse.

people dont get fat because they cant afford healthy food. rolled oats cost about 80 cents a pound and if that was 80% of your diet you would likely be thin and healthy.
People who are smart pay me to do this work and I do have qualifications so that does make me an expert. What makes you an expert?

Edited to add: Rolled oats are great but not healthy long term because it does not include the nutrients necessary like protein (add milk), healthy fats, vegetables, fruits. Those missing items are the more expensive foods. Additionally, it would be hard to follow such a limited diet long term- boredom. I do think oats is a good breakfast. Be mindful of the high oxalates, possible effects on iron levels and of course the troublesome gas if you eating it almost exclusively.

Last edited by foodyum; 10-24-2019 at 04:42 PM.. Reason: eta info on rolled oats
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Old 10-24-2019, 04:31 PM
 
Location: Coastal New Jersey
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you working in the field doesnt mean anything except you now fancy yourself an expert. there are a lot of people in the field who think they are saving starving children by providing them food in school. if the school doesnt feed them, the parents will. in the small % of that group that dont; thats abuse.

people dont get fat because they cant afford healthy food. rolled oats cost about 80 cents a pound and if that was 80% of your diet you would likely be thin and healthy.
Sometimes you can be amusing, CaptainNJ, but a diet that consists of 80% oats would not be healthy for kids. No matter what the parents are, the kids should eat and if society can afford it, and we can, we should make sure they do eat. If the parents don't feed the kids, yes, it's abuse, but the kids still need to be fed.

You're a financially-well-off guy saying you don't want society to feed kids because their parents can't or won't or don't. I know you don't care about anyone's opinion, but you're getting mine. That's butt-ugly. Which may be what you are going for. Negative attention, but it's butt-ugly just the same.

There is a guy who posted on a retirement forum thread about elderly people in the USA who don't have enough food. He said it was all a schtick, that there should be no hungry elders because of food stamps and that their children should take care of them. Just as ugly.

I'd guess he was your father, except that this guy is a retired Christian pastor, and I think you said you are Jewish.

Anyway. Regardless of race, religion or whatever, I personally wouldn't want to live next door to people who think it's cool to not feed the vulnerable in our society.
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Old 10-24-2019, 05:01 PM
 
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Get rid of lunch debt, Elizabeth Warren says, pointing to N.J. district’s ‘cruel’ policy

I personally think the school food should just become free since our taxes are so high. School lunch cost me about $200/month for my kids and we always pay on-time. In order to qualify for free lunch your household has to make below $28k annually.

The main problem I see with NJ is that too many families don't pay and run up their debts and some never bring school supplies. I estimated I spent about $300 on school supplies last month. My son tells me that some kids in his class never bring in supplies and always have no pen or notebook and the teacher just keeps a supply of some supplies for these kids. And they always seem to be of certain demographics.

Now, if you go to the parking lot to pickup my kids. Many of these kids' parents are driving late model cars. So how is it these parents can't afford lunch and school supplies but they can afford their cars and iPhones?

I can understand you need a car in NJ but there's no life requirement that you must have an iPhone.
These parents act this way because they know that if they don't provide it (lunch, school supplies) that the school will. The more "welfare" available, the more people will take advantage of it.

The problem is that when people inevitably take advantage of things, and the school has to react by asking people to simply pay what they owe....people will call it cruel.
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Old 10-24-2019, 05:18 PM
 
Location: Coastal New Jersey
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These parents act this way because they know that if they don't provide it (lunch, school supplies) that the school will. The more "welfare" available, the more people will take advantage of it.

The problem is that when people inevitably take advantage of things, and the school has to react by asking people to simply pay what they owe....people will call it cruel.
It's the part where they are "asking people to simply pay" by punishing the children that people call cruel.
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