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Old 03-10-2021, 08:28 AM
 
Location: NJ/NY
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Teacher here, and it ain’t gonna happen, as much as it should. The only way this will happen is if the consolidating districts are of similar demographics, which will continue the astonishing segregation NJ already has in its schools.

Do you really think the people and $$$ of Millburn will allow consolidation with Irvington or Newark? Ridgewood with Garfield? Randolph with Dover?

It’s very sad, but it’s the reality.

"Bars any regionalization that would have a segregative effect"

This line, tells me that they will only consolidate districts with different demographics, not similar demographics. So it will never happen.

If they are somehow successful, I can see a lot more people sending their kids to private schools, myself included. One of the things I like best about NJ is that I can find public school systems that are on par with private schools. If you take that away, then private schools become the only option.
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Old 03-10-2021, 08:30 AM
 
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Condense the schools, remove abbot funding and open up schools to the private market with a tax credit. Its really pathetic how much were giving for pupil at some of these public schools and for the same applied costs they could be attending some of the countries most elite private schools.
I read that Asbury Park spent over $42,000 per student in 2019.
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Old 03-10-2021, 08:36 AM
 
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Reducing competition between districts will not result in better outcomes IMO. Yes you may in theory save admin cost, but I suspect that won't really be the case in the end.
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Old 03-10-2021, 09:21 AM
 
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Teacher here, and it ain’t gonna happen, as much as it should. The only way this will happen is if the consolidating districts are of similar demographics, which will continue the astonishing segregation NJ already has in its schools.

Do you really think the people and $$$ of Millburn will allow consolidation with Irvington or Newark? Ridgewood with Garfield? Randolph with Dover?

It’s very sad, but it’s the reality.
Mixing demographics will only hurt the good school. 90% of the success rate of a school comes from home. A families view toward education and fostering their children in Millburn verses Newark is very different.

If you want successful districts in bad areas you need cultural changes. The truth is sometimes hard to accept but its reality.
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Old 03-10-2021, 09:40 AM
 
Location: Bergen County, NJ
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Teacher here, and it ain’t gonna happen, as much as it should. The only way this will happen is if the consolidating districts are of similar demographics, which will continue the astonishing segregation NJ already has in its schools.

Do you really think the people and $$$ of Millburn will allow consolidation with Irvington or Newark? Ridgewood with Garfield? Randolph with Dover?

It’s very sad, but it’s the reality.

Does it have to be all or nothing? I don’t see why it has to be Millburn with Irvington or Newark. Why not Millburn with Livingston? Irvington with Newark? Ridgewood with Wyckoff and Glen Rock? Garfield with Lodi? That wouldn’t really make things more segregated than they are today.
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Old 03-10-2021, 09:44 AM
 
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Does it have to be all or nothing? I don’t see why it has to be Millburn with Irvington or Newark. Why not Millburn with Livingston? Irvington with Newark? Ridgewood with Wyckoff and Glen Rock? Garfield with Lodi? That wouldn’t really make things more segregated than they are today.
As I said, they are barring combinations like the ones you are advocating.

Directly from the article:

"Bars any regionalization that would have a segregative effect"

Any of those combinations would have a segregative effect.
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Old 03-10-2021, 09:47 AM
 
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this is just an attempt to raise money for politicians, this wont go through.
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Old 03-10-2021, 10:02 AM
 
Location: Bergen County, NJ
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As I said, they are barring combinations like the ones you are advocating.

Directly from the article:

"Bars any regionalization that would have a segregative effect"

Any of those combinations would have a segregative effect.


That’s a vague statement, in my opinion. How does two districts combining have a segregative effect? Sounds like quite the opposite. And if the argument against Millburn joining Livingston is that it leaves out poor black and brown kids from Newark and Irvington, how is that any different than what’s in place today? At least go with the option that’s going to save a little money, if nothing else.


But even if all of Essex County were to merge districts, for example, would that necessarily be terrible for Millburn? It’s not like Newark kids wouldn’t still go to school in Newark. They would just share a superintendent and be able to get services cheaper due to scale. Unless there’s something I’m missing here I don’t see why this is so bad even if you’re in an excellent school district but I’ll sure one of you will tell me why I’m wrong.
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Old 03-10-2021, 10:04 AM
 
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They would just share a superintendent and be able to get services cheaper due to scale.
i think most people dont actually believe that there would be any savings to any of this and the transition to this would probably cost a lot of money.

but there are no serious effort to actually make this happen. politicians make money for themselves when they write up legislation and then people donate money to them to either oppose or support it. this is just a money making scheme for politicians (just like all legislation is).
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Old 03-10-2021, 10:31 AM
 
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Teacher here, and it ain’t gonna happen, as much as it should. The only way this will happen is if the consolidating districts are of similar demographics, which will continue the astonishing segregation NJ already has in its schools.

Do you really think the people and $$$ of Millburn will allow consolidation with Irvington or Newark? Ridgewood with Garfield? Randolph with Dover?

It’s very sad, but it’s the reality.
Why is that sad?

Those people paid a premium for their homes, to have a school system their kids could go to and not have to worry about the behaviors common in poor districts.
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