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If you think your taxes are high now, you ain't seen nothing yet. Friday on the pool thingy.
I've given up on both parties... what about Mike Gravel? I like his platform - Mike Gravel For President 2008 | Let the People Decide! I'm reading up a little more on him but so far, he is my new replacement for Hilary as I think she may be applying for food stamps soon : ) Good luck with the pool opening : )
this starts a long sociological battle, so many women enter into bad relationships and compound it by having babies, or even people in good relationships but are financially unprepared to have babies have them and then cannot afford their upbringing.
I know we gave it a lot of thought before starting a family, we decided against day care and would lose a large income, only once we were comfortable did we start a family. If more people thought things through they wouldn't be in the quagmires they are trapped in
i'm so not prepared to have this discussion with you. it was a comment directed at mike tongue in cheek (and he knows why). please. spare me. men in the same situation who work and need to support kids, and put them in daycare to do so would be viewed as heros, while the same women are seen as unfit parents.
I don't remember anyone here sticking their heads in the sand in denial that things are a bit dicey right now. Is the entire country going to crash & burn...well that's just a tad bit to much drama for my blood, hyped up by the media with articles just like the one you linked.
Guess different strokes for different folks..I would do what I had to in order to pay my bills and if it means working at Costco and part time slinging hash at the diner so be it
But see when you have kids it's hard to do that because now you have to find a babysitter or put your child in a 24 hour daycare - which costs money. I tried working a second job stocking at a department store because I wanted to go on vacation and didn't want to use the money from my savings account. I was only making $7.50 working 25 hours a week. And I was paying a neighborhood girl $10 a night to watch my son the 4 night I worked. So with the $40 and the extra gas I had to put in my car it really wasn't financially smart for me to keep the second job.
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Costco, McDonalds, Burger king, Temp agencies anything to keep the wolf from the door until you can find work in your field..what is she going to do when her unemployment runs out??
She also received 60 day severance, that is more then most get
The most she's going to make at McDonalds is $10-12 hourly even as a manager - we live in FL after all - the pay here is relatively low. So we're looking at about $700 every two weeks - if she doesn't have insurance taken out of her check.
Right now she gets $300 in unemployment weekly, plus $250 in food stamps and a $100 in cash assistance plus her daughter is covered under FL Medicaid.
If she starts working at McDonalds she loses all those things, the most important being her daughter's medical coverage - why would anyone who knows simple math do that? Just so she can say "I don't need the system because I'm a responsible adult?"
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I can't really say because I don't know your friend's situation; but wouldn't it be better for her to accept a job that pays less (than what her old job did that is) than for her to go on the dole? I think it would still be more money than what the government hands out. However, she should definitely get as much from unemployment as she can because that she earned!
By the way, where do you live Natalayjones?
I live in Orlando, FL. Yes, she has tried to get jobs in other fields but jobs just aren't that available here right now. I mentioned in earlier forums that when I graduated with my English degree I was shocked to be told the school board was on a hiring freeze because I kept seeing jobs advertised. But what they meant was they weren't hiring any new teachers until they placed the majority of the teachers who were laid off or lost jobs when schools closed.
I can only speak for myself and the situations I see in my daily life. Like I said, I don't know how it is there but we are feeling this employment slump here. Two schools have done major layoffs in my county alone to offset the rising cost of food and now the school board is trying to find a more economical way to do summer school - with several schools combining and holding classes at one central school but then they'd have to have more bus routes, which means more bus drivers and more gas.
Cablevision recently closed it's all center here and 500 people were out of a job - myself included. It's really becoming a mess here. The news reports are saying there are more people going to soup kitchens then there are after a hurricane.
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Okay, um not sure what world you live but I working full time at McDonalds ain't going to cut it.
The most she's going to make at McDonalds is $10-12 hourly even as a manager - we live in FL after all - the pay here is relatively low. So we're looking at about $700 every two weeks - if she doesn't have insurance taken out of her check.
Right now she gets $300 in unemployment weekly, plus $250 in food stamps and a $100 in cash assistance plus her daughter is covered under FL Medicaid.
If she starts working at McDonalds she loses all those things, the most important being her daughter's medical coverage - why would anyone who knows simple math do that? Just so she can say "I don't need the system because I'm a responsible adult?"
Mcdonald's won't cut it but entitlement $ will? Therein lies the problem with this country. It used to be important to be viewed as a responsible adult-is that something that is looked down upon now? Gosh sometimes I feel like I am living in the twilight zone. Now thanks to liberal entitlement policies we make it easier for people not have to work hard. What is wrong with getting a job or two? No one ever said life was going to be easy. If Mcdonalds did not pay enough-get a second job to supplement until something better comes along. God knows there are plenty of people who do it and have done it. What ever happened to pride in yourself and doing what you have to do to feed your family. Just easier to let someone else pay for you-aka-taxpayers.
Gosh I am so glad food stamps and other entitlements weren't around when we were fighting the Revoultionary War, building all the great dams and roads and all the other hardworking back breaking jobs that went into making this country what it is today. I am really scared to see what kind of country-if any we would have left.
Mcdonald's won't cut it but entitlement $ will? Therein lies the problem with this country. It used to be important to be viewed as a responsible adult-is that something that is looked down upon now? Gosh sometimes I feel like I am living in the twilight zone. Now thanks to liberal entitlement policies we make it easier for people not have to work hard. What is wrong with getting a job or two? No one ever said life was going to be easy. If Mcdonalds did not pay enough-get a second job to supplement until something better comes along. God knows there are plenty of people who do it and have done it. What ever happened to pride in yourself and doing what you have to do to feed your family. Just easier to let someone else pay for you-aka-taxpayers.
Gosh I am so glad food stamps and other entitlements weren't around when we were fighting the Revoultionary War, building all the great dams and roads and all the other hardworking back breaking jobs that went into making this country what it is today. I am really scared to see what kind of country-if any we would have left.
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See it's so easy to look down on people when you're not going through it. So if she starts working at McDonalds full time while her child is in school - when is she going to work this second job? She could put her daughter in after school care - but yes that costs money and money is the issue we're talking about right? Also, there are no buses for the after-school program so she would have to drive to the school Monday-Friday to pick her daughter up - extra gas - more money. Or I guess she could work at night after her daughter is home from school and perhaps in bed - but then she'll need a baby-sitter. Which is more money. I guess she could always leave her 9-year old at home or take her with her to work the fast food window at steak-n-shake.
People need to get real. McDonalds is not hiring 30-somethings with mortages and car notes to pay, that will want to work full-time and get benefits. They are hiring 16 year olds and retirees who just want to work a few hours a week.
Yes, I'm so sure that my friend was thinking "gee I can't wait for the hospital to close so I can collect food stamps and unemployment to pay off all those loans I've accrued trying to get an education. Boy think of all the things I'll buy with my unemployment check"
So I guess the new motto is "It doesn't matter that I can't feed my child because I'm a responsible adult and I take pride in the fact that I work two jobs instead of living off entitlement $"
Please, it's not like she's never had a job before. I said she'd been working at the hospital for 11 years - which means she paid taxes for 11 years. Isn't that why we pay pay taxes, so in times where we need assistance, programs are available? I'd much rather assist someone I knew was looking for work then someone who is going to be living off the system for the rest of their lives.
But like I said, I can only speak for myself and this is a public forum so you're entitled to believe whatever you want.
See it's so easy to look down on people when you're not going through it. So if she starts working at McDonalds full time while her child is in school - when is she going to work this second job? She could put her daughter in after school care - but yes that costs money and money is the issue we're talking about right? Also, there are no buses for the after-school program so she would have to drive to the school Monday-Friday to pick her daughter up - extra gas - more money. Or I guess she could work at night after her daughter is home from school and perhaps in bed - but then she'll need a baby-sitter. Which is more money. I guess she could always leave her 9-year old at home or take her with her to work the fast food window at steak-n-shake.
People need to get real. McDonalds is not hiring 30-somethings with mortages and car notes to pay, that will want to work full-time and get benefits. They are hiring 16 year olds and retirees who just want to work a few hours a week.
Yes, I'm so sure that my friend was thinking "gee I can't wait for the hospital to close so I can collect food stamps and unemployment to pay off all those loans I've accrued trying to get an education. Boy think of all the things I'll buy with my unemployment check"
So I guess the new motto is "It doesn't matter that I can't feed my child because I'm a responsible adult and I take pride in the fact that I work two jobs instead of living off entitlement"
Please, it's not like she's never had a job before. I said she'd been working at the hospital for 11 years - which means she paid taxes for 11 years. Isn't that why we pay pay taxes, so in time where we need assistance, programs are available? I'd much rather assist someone I knew was looking for work then someone who is going to be living off the system for the rest of their lives.
But like I said, I can only speak for myself and this is a public forum so you're entitled to believe whatever you want.
Kudos to you natalay! Until you are presented with a similiar situation, do not judge others! My brother just moved up this way from Florida because he could not find employment down there... there is more demand than supply at the moment. He is struggling to find employment up here as well. I am fortunate.. I have a job and I have no problems paying taxes in order to ensure that programs for people like your aunt are available to her in times of need - temporary need. I hope your aunt eventually finds another job as I'm sure she isn't walking around with her head held high having to live off of "the system". But she is doing what she feels she needs to do in order to survive.
Please, it's not like she's never had a job before. I said she'd been working at the hospital for 11 years - which means she paid taxes for 11 years. Isn't that why we pay pay taxes, so in times where we need assistance, programs are available? I'd much rather assist someone I knew was looking for work then someone who is going to be living off the system for the rest of their lives.
Herein lies the problem with our citizenry circa 2008: no, it was never intended that we pay taxes to insure we have a safety net, in the form of a centralized bureaucracy whose purpose is to serve the needs of someone when they are in need. Once again, we have fallen prey to (by the political left) and have been conditioned to accept this as a condition of how our system works. I reject this. It's in the Constitution, Article I: "We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America. " Suggested in another way, the government establishes justice (law & order in the form of police and the courts) provides for the common defense (national security and military), and that's all. Infrastructure, in the form of roads and utilities, are also a provision. Prior to 1953, there was no department of Health and Human Services. Thanks to the gained traction of the New Deal several years earlier, this one department now consumes 1/3rd of the federal budget. What this has translated into over 50 years later is a population that watches American Idol and says "I want my mommy. I want a government who will solve my problems. That's not my responsibility, that's the government's job."
Natalayjones and her friend would be more empowered if they had their net on their paycheck equalling their gross.
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Friday on the pool thingy.
