Mike Gravel for President 2008 (Union: neighborhood, live in, fence)

[njkate]

CuCullin,

Talk to people who live in the border states of Texas, Arizona, california..especially those living right on the border..it isn't pretty

[njkate]

Originally Posted by wileynj

Bonjour massuer CuCullin...lol - I failed french as you can see. My great grandfather came over from Ireland.. Are you seeing how the table is turning in support of your arguement : ) Ellis island... isn't that what the plan is? To have something setup so that people can come over legally? Gotta love it!

and that's the key word in this argument LEGALLY
have not read one word in this thread with any one having an issue with a LEGAL immigrant

[wileynj]

Originally Posted by njkate

and that's the key word in this argument LEGALLY
have not read one word in this thread with any one having an issue with a LEGAL immigrant

so if 10 million mexican come over legally, you would be ok with that? Wouldn't they still be taking jbs away from Americans : )

[mike0421]

Originally Posted by UKOK

The border could be protected if we really wanted to stop people running across it. Just think Iron Curtain, Berlin wall etc Seriously, just imagine we said, right..anyone who crosses our border illegally will be shot and killed. And then did it to the next group who crossed illegally. Killed em all...say 50 of em dead. Do you think that would be a message? There is not really a penalty for crossing the border right now. What happens....I get sent home again...boohoo. If you were going to get shot and killed you wouldn't cross so nonchalantly.

Of course this would violate someone’s civil rights and the good old red white and blue has become a bit namby pamby if you ask me so nothing like this will ever happen. But saying "it's impossible or not feasible" is pretty weak IMO.

I hear this is what the Mexican Army is told to do at the Guatemalan border in Chiapas. Shoot to kill orders. It's called sovereignty, the right to defend one's borders. It's not really a novel concept. For further proof, go to border of South Africa and Namibia. Or Israel and Lebanon.

[njkate]

Originally Posted by wileynj

so if 10 million mexican come over legally, you would be ok with that? Wouldn't they still be taking jbs away from Americans : )

No because as LEGAL immigrants they would have more say so in what happens to them..who are they going to complain to now?? We all know there are just as many scummy Americans who exploit and take advantage of illegals because bottom line..who do they complain to???

[njkate]

Originally Posted by mike0421

I hear this is what the Mexican Army is told to do at the Guatemalan border in Chiapas. Shoot to kill orders. It's called sovereignty, the right to defend one's borders. It's not really a novel concept. For further proof, go to border of South Africa and Namibia. Or Israel and Lebanon.

true...already told CuCullin that a few posts back
of course they may be doing us a favor cause the Guatemalans are only going through Mexico to get here

[nicolem]

Originally Posted by wileynj

so if 10 million mexican come over legally, you would be ok with that? Wouldn't they still be taking jbs away from Americans : )

That is really a different argument. Right now legal immigration is capped I think around a mil and a half a year. Now if that cap were raised to 10 million I am sure there would be issues with that as being legal would entitle them to more benefits. I think it would have to be reevaluated as far as do we really need to increase legal by 8.5 mil. I personally don't think we need to admit 10 million a year legal or otherwise. The US already admits more LEGAL immigrants a year than all other countries. Then add in the 20-30 million illegal. When does it end? What about putting Americans first?

A country has a right to determine the number of legal immigrants it accepts. 1.5 mill is more generous than any other country in the world.

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plus amnesty is only going to make the problem of illegals even worse. we already did this once before under Reagan if I remember correctly.

Just adds to the dream..sneak into America, tough it out for awhile and eventually the American capitulate and give you amnesty

[Obrero]

Originally Posted by mike0421

I hear this is what the Mexican Army is told to do at the Guatemalan border in Chiapas. Shoot to kill orders. It's called sovereignty, the right to defend one's borders. It's not really a novel concept. For further proof, go to border of South Africa and Namibia. Or Israel and Lebanon.

And yet somehow it is something America seems afraid to do.

[njkate]

Originally Posted by nicolem

That is really a different argument. Right now legal immigration is capped I think around a mil and a half a year. Now if that cap were raised to 10 million I am sure there would be issues with that as being legal would entitle them to more benefits. I think it would have to be reevaluated as far as do we really need to increase legal by 8.5 mil. I personally don't think we need to admit 10 million a year legal or otherwise. The US already admits more LEGAL immigrants a year than all other countries. Then add in the 20-30 million illegal. When does it end? What about putting Americans first?

A country has a right to determine the number of legal immigrants it accepts. 1.5 mill is more generous than any other country in the world.

Boy if that isn't the truth
try emigrating to Aruba and see the hoops you have to jump through..but..good for them