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06-12-2008, 09:16 AM
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Brit in the USA
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Originally Posted by t206
The great thing is that it is your right to not care, however others are obligated to follow the law at least.
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It's a strange thing that the law and common sense don't always go hand in hand. I mean - getting into *legal* trouble regarding the relative altitude of two harmless flaps of fabric? Have we got nothing better to worry about? 
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06-12-2008, 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted by joe moving
We have a flag on a pole and I don't take it down and I'm not lighting it up every night. I remember reading an "all weather flag" is OK in ALL weather. I got the nylon rip stop type flag. But it is supposed to be lit up. The other alternative I can see is taking it down and only putting it up on special occasions.
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The physical flag survives in all weather, it doesn't make it appropriate to have it out in all weather - two different things.
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Originally Posted by LynnePatrice
I believe that actual flags are not supposed to be worn, but I don't think there is any rule regarding flag t-shirts and bandannas. I think it does show you are proud to be from America if you wear a flag t-shirt. Why is a flag pin or patch OK but a flag t-shirt not OK?
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Section 8d - the flag shall never be worn as apparel.
Section 8j covers pins - its like a patch for military, police, fd, etc. It has a specific location, left side, above the heart.
Decorative/apparel type wear should not be a flag, but colored like bunting. Its more appropriate, technically. Having a flag on a shirt, for example, makes it a flag... and then (this is how it gets silly) should be treated the same way. Flag shirts would be disposed of in a respectful way, must be lit up at all times, and if you wear it at night, bring a flashlight to shine it on your shirt  . I'm serious though :P
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06-12-2008, 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by tonrob
It's a strange thing that the law and common sense don't always go hand in hand. I mean - getting into *legal* trouble regarding the relative altitude of two harmless flaps of fabric? Have we got nothing better to worry about? 
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Its not harmless; flying one country's flag below another is a sign of aggression - this isn't just the US that abides by this rule you know..
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06-12-2008, 09:44 AM
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Like my 'tude?
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There is a house that I saw on a fairly main road in Cherry Hill, that is empty (I think fairly new foreclosure) with no realtor sign.
There is a flag waving on the property that is literally torn to ribbons. It is very disrespectful. I am tempted to go take it down as there is a flag disposal ceremony next week in Runnemede. I am afraid I will get in trouble.
It really is a horrible sight.
Shanny
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06-12-2008, 09:51 AM
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Cu, like I was saying , it has officially made it "OK" to leave the flag out in all weather as long as it is lit in darkness. If the etiquette says its OK, doesn't that make it OK?
The flag should not be displayed on days when the weather is inclement, except when an all-weather flag is displayed.
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06-12-2008, 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by joe moving
Cu, like I was saying , it has officially made it "OK" to leave the flag out in all weather as long as it is lit in darkness. If the etiquette says its OK, doesn't that make it OK?
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Yes, all-weather is ok for all weather situations; I still wouldn't leave it out. Alot of the all-weather flags have a tendency to fade more quickly this way (sometimes even run, despite the claim of being all-weather), thats all I was trying to say (though I didn't say that specifically, I realize  )
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06-12-2008, 11:03 AM
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res ipsa loquitur
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Just a note
If you really want a flag that will standup to abuse get one intended for mounting on a boat...a power boat for example... They will take the UV from the sun, the wind, the rain...cost a bit more but will really last while mantaining it's good looks.
BoatUS, or Westmarine for example....

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06-12-2008, 12:55 PM
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Drilling for fear makes the job simple.
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Originally Posted by Badfish740
Or when they're not lit at night or flying in a torrential rain. It also ticks me off to see American flag bandannas, shirts, etc... It's clearly stated that as per flag etiquette that this is disrespectful, yet it's often lauded as a sign of patriotism.
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you forgot pins. mini flag pins made in china. apparently, one cannot get any more patriotic than wearing one of those.
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06-12-2008, 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by tonrob
It's a strange thing that the law and common sense don't always go hand in hand. I mean - getting into *legal* trouble regarding the relative altitude of two harmless flaps of fabric? Have we got nothing better to worry about? 
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You made your point. Twice. We got it. Get over it.
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06-12-2008, 10:22 PM
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Originally Posted by CuCullin
Yes, all-weather is ok for all weather situations; I still wouldn't leave it out. Alot of the all-weather flags have a tendency to fade more quickly this way (sometimes even run, despite the claim of being all-weather), thats all I was trying to say (though I didn't say that specifically, I realize  )
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If I remember correctly...when referring to an "all-weather" flag I believe you are also referring to a Storm Flag - which describes exactly what it is - flown in inclimate weather on military posts.
A Storm Flag is 5' x 9.5' where on normal days the Post Flag would be flown which is a generous 8' 11 3/8 x 17'. On special days the Garrison Flag is flown and measures a gigantic 20' x 38' (those are by far my favorite flags).
Here is a link to all different types of flags.
~J
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