Alpine Mansions: OMG! (Newark, Paterson, Bernardsville: middle-class, neighborhoods, luxury)

[tahiti]

Originally Posted by MoorestownResident

Appreciate the zeal in the response but you have no idea what you are talking about.

*you're* the one who changed the subject to moorestown, why is that? *you're* the one who claims moorestown is the *best* town in NJ in an ALPINE thread, why is that?

[JERSEY MAN]

Originally Posted by tahiti

*you're* the one who changed the subject to moorestown, why is that? *you're* the one who claims moorestown is the *best* town in NJ in an ALPINE thread, why is that?

Come on Tahiti he said best town in the country. Alpine aint nuttin.

[MoorestownResident]

Just making convo being that it was noteworthy to the subject matter ie large mansions in NJ. Certainly others found it of interest as well. I, however, didn't revive the topic or say anything adverse at all about Alpine, NJ. That's the difference.

[DITC]

HA! Oh please. Youve been shooting an unloaded gun with your weak arguments and warped sense of reality. Ive stated nothing but fact, you just cant take the heat! Enjoy your fantasy world!

Now back to Alpine.

Originally Posted by MoorestownResident

Appreciate the zeal in the response but you have no idea what you are talking about.

[ImCurlybelle]

Alpine now has house numbers. That changed a few years ago, it was originally only PO Boxes, not anymore.

[ImCurlybelle]

The owner of Ray's Pizza in NYC lives in Alpine- His house is on Hillside- You guys should see it- it's freak'n AMAZING! Astronomically HUGE !!! Also, Stevie Wonder has a house in the area, and so did Eddie Murphy and Madonna- Both sold. Eddie's was actually on Jone Road in Englewood Cliffs, a few miles over ...

[DITC]

Dont they still have PO boxes? Imagine its to keep wealthy homeowners identities hidden from the general public.

Like anywhere else, political contribution lists and state property tax pages usually spill the beans on big money citizens trying to lay low.

Originally Posted by ImCurlybelle

Alpine now has house numbers. That changed a few years ago, it was originally only PO Boxes, not anymore.

[stevemorse]

Originally Posted by GoldCoastLI

Firstly, I want to state that by no means was my post intended to derogate a neighborhood and I am not disagreeing that there are well respected towns outside the New York and Los Angeles areas. I do not know whether or not my post was observed as offensive and if so, my apologies. Simply, I am stating that although 45,000 sq ft is a very large home; it is not out of the ordinary for a home of this size and nature to be built outside of the Los Angeles metropolitan area. Thus, comparables to Vernon Hill’s home would not require pulling listings in Holmby Hills, California. But then again real estate professionals know that gauging a price for any property requires comparables in the immediate area. Therefore, Villa Collina would not be compared to New York or Los Angeles metro homes. And with only two other homes near its size, demanding a significantly high price (comparably to homes of its size in New York or Los Angeles) in a sale would be very difficult and not feasible with the average luxury house in Moorestown, New Jersey selling in $1-1.5 million and on the higher-end $3 million.
Ultimately, homes of this size are in existence (and with new ones recurrently erected) in Nassau-Suffolk-Westchester Counties of New York and Fairfield County, Connecticut. It comes down to the fact that it is not an oddity in these areas and subsequently is less likely to be publicized unless it breaks the 60,000 sq ft mark. For example, Greenwich, Connecticut and Old Westbury, New York are mansion-heavy with many homes of 30,000 sq ft. Move over to nearby towns including New Canaan, CT or Upper Brookville, NY and the landscapes are still cover with these large homes. And not all of these towns are waterfront.
And although a publication may list that Moorestown, New Jersey as commutable to New York; it still does not fall in the New York Metropolitan area. As an individual with a research background, it is essential to play devils advocate to sources. A publication called New Jersey Monthly will be bias to the area it serves for many apparent reasons. It’s similar to the East Stroudsburg, Pennsylvania media stating they are a commuter town to New York City. Yes, commuting from East Stroudsburg is viable, but the town is far out of the sphere of influence of New York City as is Moorestown, New Jersey. Please reference the United States Office of Management and Budget for the exact New York metro area breakdown which verifies this.
As far as Manhattan, I am not questioning whether or not Hill commutes to New York on a daily basis or sporadically; when you work as a CEO in Financial Services, commuting the New York is ritual. Ultimately, because of this position, his endeavors will be printed in the New York Times whether he was from Moorestown, New Jersey or Billings, Montana.
As for Money’s Best Places to Live, understand every survey has its limits, certain things are not completely measurable but what Money’s procedure does measure is plentiful jobs, affordable housing, and excellent schools. Look at Forbes List Most Expensive ZIPs; it falls short of measuring houses not currently on the market and the fact that one town can fall into many ZIPs. Yes, I venture outside of the New York metro area quite often and I have been to Moorestown, New Jersey. I believe it is a very nice town with pockets of prestigious areas and that’s not what I was trying to deny it of. But what I am trying to get across is: the fact that New Jersey’s largest home is 45,000 sq ft; does not negate the fact that it is very common for homes of this size to exist more north in New York and Connecticut. Please pardon the typos, I am not proofreading.

actually this is a very interesting post! This person says something in his post that is very interesting, that is all the history in the old huge Mansions. I have visited of course like most people Newport, RI, The Hudson River Mansions , the summer Mansions in the Adirondacks and recently the Somerset Hills Mansions. What Alpine is missing is the history. There just huge ugly Estates with no history behind them. Now LI Gold Coast I have not visited however have read some great books one I names called Winfield. This area is extremely rich with the backbone of American Inventors and basically the start of Capitalism in AMerica. They were once owned by prominent people of later years. Its like a book of the past. I have visited Alpine many times having grown up in Bergen COunty and a Mother in law who lives in Old Tappan. It cant hold a candle to the other areas I mentioned.

[Obrero]

Just looked at Alpine lisitngs on Realtor and boy have they come down in price. When I last looked a few years ago there was nothing under 2 mil. Now there are quite a few...

Chris Rock lives there.

[Obrero]

Originally Posted by MoorestownResident

Just making convo being that it was noteworthy to the subject matter ie large mansions in NJ. Certainly others found it of interest as well. I, however, didn't revive the topic or say anything adverse at all about Alpine, NJ. That's the difference.

Actually nobody found it interesting. We took a vote on it earlier.