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Old 07-19-2008, 08:42 PM
 
Location: North Carolina
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I said corruption. NJ is heavily a blue state and is the most corrupt state in the country.
Nah - I think Louisiana has us on corruption!
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Old 07-19-2008, 11:23 PM
 
Location: Down Jersey
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Of course he's tucking tail... did anyone honestly take his promises at face value? There are only two surefire ways which would effectively curb our debt, neither of which are methods which most politicians (regardless of party, since most are essentially cut from the same cloth these days anyway) would never dare implement.

We need to either increase revenue (ie - taxes) or cut spending, it's that simple. Personally... I'm in favor of the latter (on both the state AND federal level). If we were dealing with anything other than the government, this wouldn't be all that difficult of a concept to grasp... if you don't have the money for something, then you can't have it. When we're this deep in debt, everything needs to get cut - jobs, salaries, benefits, services, programs, etc...

But no one dare have the balls to do it... Worse yet, the citizens of this state don't have the balls to put those in office who might actually enact change. Only when everyone in this state realizes that the problems NJ is facing fall squarely on our own shoulders, then we might just be able to move forward in a constructive manner.

Frankly, I strongly believe the most important thing we need to do in this state is to push for an amendment to the constitution which would require a balanced budget.

It's our lives, our money, and our state - not "theirs." We all just need to wake up to such.
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Old 07-21-2008, 11:20 AM
 
Location: NJ
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Default NJ needs an exorcism.....

or a federal takeover, anything less will result in no change.

I am bewildered and disgusted by the lack of any definitive action to correct the system in the face of documented institutional corruption.

The maze of legal and economic nuance gives birth and sustenence to corruption and ensures the voting public will be forever wrapped in a fog of confusion.

Voting is simply a ploy to maintain the status quo of corruption and colossal waste.

See attached 2005 Star Ledger article......

NJ.com: Bare-knuckle Jersey politics bared
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Old 07-21-2008, 11:25 AM
 
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No relation whatsoever between DC and NJ's fiscal mess. This is one thing we can't blame on BushCo.
Oh, I'll agree with you - NJ's mess is our own creating. HOWEVER, DC really made a mess of our COUNTRY. So what I'm saying is being liberal is not equal to being corrupt. Being liberal or conservative doesn't really matter here. MOST politicians are corrupt and I dare say most, on either side, really don't give a damn about the best for their constituents.
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Old 07-21-2008, 11:27 AM
 
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Hey, I'm all for moving to Denmark... I just can't bring my whole family along... but wait... that could be good in some cases...lol
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Old 07-21-2008, 05:39 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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Hey, I'm all for moving to Denmark... I just can't bring my whole family along... but wait... that could be good in some cases...lol
Denmark has their own problems with immigration. They don't need anymore people.
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Old 07-21-2008, 06:02 PM
 
Location: North Carolina
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Of course he's tucking tail... did anyone honestly take his promises at face value? There are only two surefire ways which would effectively curb our debt, neither of which are methods which most politicians (regardless of party, since most are essentially cut from the same cloth these days anyway) would never dare implement.

We need to either increase revenue (ie - taxes) or cut spending, it's that simple. Personally... I'm in favor of the latter (on both the state AND federal level). If we were dealing with anything other than the government, this wouldn't be all that difficult of a concept to grasp... if you don't have the money for something, then you can't have it. When we're this deep in debt, everything needs to get cut - jobs, salaries, benefits, services, programs, etc...

But no one dare have the balls to do it... Worse yet, the citizens of this state don't have the balls to put those in office who might actually enact change. Only when everyone in this state realizes that the problems NJ is facing fall squarely on our own shoulders, then we might just be able to move forward in a constructive manner.

Frankly, I strongly believe the most important thing we need to do in this state is to push for an amendment to the constitution which would require a balanced budget.

It's our lives, our money, and our state - not "theirs." We all just need to wake up to such.
If you ever decide to run for governor, you've got my vote! (I'd have to move back to NJ, but it might be worth it!). Everyone has to realize that if they continue to re-elect the same old, same old, whatever party that might be, they'll end up with the same results. How many people forget that in the last year of the Clinton administration, the small budget surplus was due simply to the fact, that Democrats couldn't pass any spending bills and Republicans couldn't pass any tax cuts? Revenues and spending slowly became balanced. A similar scenario needs to occur in NJ real soon!
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Old 07-24-2008, 12:04 PM
 
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Nah - I think Louisiana has us on corruption!
I'm not so sure about that in the long run with Jindahl at their helm.

Also, I'll bet they get their corruption for a lot less money.
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