Paramus taxes up 20% or more!

[tahiti]

Originally Posted by TheEmissary

Harding Township is very pricey and Morris Township has taxes that make strong NJ men cry! Start saving or start buying the lottery tickets. You have to be like that old TV commercial- "He's got money coming out the wahzoo"!!

BTW - Glad to hear you're O.K. Now - Stay that way! Promise!!!!

em - where did you get this? morris twsp taxes are VERY reasonable (by NJ standards of course) - MorrisTOWN taxes are higher. Morris Twsp has a lot of industry.

are you sure you weren't talking about glen ridge or maplewood?

[EEEPNJ]

Originally Posted by TheEmissary

New Jersey's problem is that the people moving in tend to have less money than the people moving out. I believe there was some sort of study done on this. Thus, the middle-class is getting "slightly poorer" as time goes by. This may partly explain NJ's fall from 1st place in the "highest median income by state" rating.

BTW, This is the first time I've been labeled an "extremist"! But I think the point about Mahattan is valid. Where's all the middle-class housing there?

Now how is that possible considering how much it costs to live here? Esp in N NJ

[mike0421]

Originally Posted by EEEPNJ

Now how is that possible considering how much it costs to live here? Esp in N NJ

NJ is very 'liberal' (pardon the pun) when it comes to state public assistance. Welfare careerists do very well when it comes to existing in New Jersey.

[EEEPNJ]

Originally Posted by mike0421

NJ is very 'liberal' (pardon the pun) when it comes to state public assistance. Welfare careerists do very well when it comes to existing in New Jersey.

I still don't see it... I'm not arguing your point, but our homes and rents are through the roof. We are getting a lot of NYC transplants that think $700,000 for a 2 br 2 bath with a YARD is phenomenal since they are used to $1.0 mil for a 1000 sq ft condo. So I would think that would have an impact too,.

[mike0421]

Originally Posted by EEEPNJ

I still don't see it... I'm not arguing your point, but our homes and rents are through the roof. We are getting a lot of NYC transplants that think $700,000 for a 2 br 2 bath with a YARD is phenomenal since they are used to $1.0 mil for a 1000 sq ft condo. So I would think that would have an impact too,.

But EEEPNJ, those are productive people. For every one person who comes forward with these credentials, there are several much different living situations, whereby you have multiple people sharing a small living space. In such an environment, a typical scenario might be the following: 2 or 3 occupants working under the table for a nominal wage, and the remainder perpetually unemployed, collecting WIC, welfare, etc.

I have to bring immigration and demographics into the discussion here, this discourse invariably and ultimately leads down this path, not just in NJ, but increasingly on a national level as well. I'll use my friends town of Bloomingdale as an example. Three of my friends moved to Bloomingdale, one in 1992, the other two in 1994. At the time, Bloomingdale was a third or fourth generation American small town, with stable middle class families. Earlier this month when I visited my friends there, the place (and the adjacent town of Butler) had been transformed to a virtual sanctuary city. One of my friends told me that there was one dwelling that was recently raided by INS officials. The owner of a diner in, I think it was Fairfield, had housed 14 illegal immigrant dishwashers in 3 small rooms. I can't begin to tell you who occupied that same house back in 1992 or 1994, but I'll tell you there is a very strong likelihood that the home was occupied by a middle class family, much like my friends today. And, where did that family go? Maybe they moved to Morris County, maybe they moved to Burlington County. Who knows, maybe they moved to a more tax friendly place (like so many other ex-NJ residents have) such as North Carolina, Georgia, Tennessee, etc. But my point is, in such a scenario, family 'a' was a stable, legal, conventional family that felt increasing finanical pressure, and fled, and was displaced by "family" 'b', which really was an extended family, making far less money, and making it illegally.

http://policy.rutgers.edu/news/repor...tober_2007.pdf

This is the report conducted by Rutgers University, that confirms the $$ outflow of residents, and their 'replacements' not adequately replacing these $$, at least as it pertains to analysis on 1040 forms of those leaving versus those arriving.

[EEEPNJ]

Originally Posted by mike0421

But EEEPNJ, those are productive people. For every one person who comes forward with these credentials, there are several much different living situations, whereby you have multiple people sharing a small living space. In such an environment, a typical scenario might be the following: 2 or 3 occupants working under the table for a nominal wage, and the remainder perpetually unemployed, collecting WIC, welfare, etc.

I have to bring immigration and demographics into the discussion here, this discourse invariably and ultimately leads down this path, not just in NJ, but increasingly on a national level as well. I'll use my friends town of Bloomingdale as an example. Three of my friends moved to Bloomingdale, one in 1992, the other two in 1994. At the time, Bloomingdale was a third or fourth generation American small town, with stable middle class families. Earlier this month when I visited my friends there, the place (and the adjacent town of Butler) had been transformed to a virtual sanctuary city. One of my friends told me that there was one dwelling that was recently raided by INS officials. The owner of a diner in, I think it was Fairfield, had housed 14 illegal immigrant dishwashers in 3 small rooms. I can't begin to tell you who occupied that same house back in 1992 or 1994, but I'll tell you there is a very strong likelihood that the home was occupied by a middle class family, much like my friends today. And, where did that family go? Maybe they moved to Morris County, maybe they moved to Burlington County. Who knows, maybe they moved to a more tax friendly place (like so many other ex-NJ residents have) such as North Carolina, Georgia, Tennessee, etc. But my point is, in such a scenario, family 'a' was a stable, legal, conventional family that felt increasing finanical pressure, and fled, and was displaced by "family" 'b', which really was an extended family, making far less money, and making it illegally.

http://policy.rutgers.edu/news/repor...tober_2007.pdf

This is the report conducted by Rutgers University, that confirms the $$ outflow of residents, and their 'replacements' not adequately replacing these $$, at least as it pertains to analysis on 1040 forms of those leaving versus those arriving.

Points taken...

You can't deny it and I have friends in Butler, I've seen the same thing you describe.