Minorities will be the majority by 2042 (Long Branch, Cherry Hill Mall: neighborhoods, mall, gangs)

[Lucario]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Same here ,even when I was out of work I had 3 jobs.I was lucky and got into a Union and we still have to convince kids to work ,white ,black,latino all of them are lazy.
I do differ with you point about a Blackman and the office of President,
Obama is as much a white man as he is a black man and he better remember that or he won't win the election.There is one group out there that has not been polled and they are the ones that will decide this election! White men over the age of 40.


I'm not against Immigration,I'm against Illegal immigration.

I've said this before ,"Calling an illegal immigrint an undocumented worker is like calling a drug dealer an unlicensed Pharmacist"!

What are you saying here? Obama is SEEN by most as a black man, and he sees himself as one as well. He has already put out there that he comes from a white family (his African dad was basically absentee, and his other family members remain in Africa). I understand that. But most white folks don't see Obama as someone who could be in their family. Most black people do. I have stood next to Obama on many occasions, and he's just another brother as far as I'm concerned.

[mike0421]

Originally Posted by Sunil's Dad

What are you saying here? Obama is SEEN by most as a black man, and he sees himself as one as well. He has already put out there that he comes from a white family (his African dad was basically absentee, and his other family members remain in Africa). I understand that. But most white folks don't see Obama as someone who could be in their family. Most black people do. I have stood next to Obama on many occasions, and he's just another brother as far as I'm concerned.

I don't see Obama as a black man. I see him as an extension of Karl Marx though.

Put it this way, if I am a resident of Maryland in 2006, I am voting for Michael Steele over Benjamin Cardin, or Lynn Swann for governor of Pennsylvania over that unctous scumbag Ed Rendell.

[Lucario]

Originally Posted by mike0421

I don't see Obama as a black man. I see him as an extension of Karl Marx though.

Put it this way, if I am a resident of Maryland in 2006, I am voting for Michael Steele over Benjamin Cardin, or Lynn Swann for governor of Pennsylvania over that unctous scumbag Ed Rendell.

Good luck on that one, at least in PA. Lynn got killed. I don't think he'll be running in the future...........Don't know enough about Steele/MD to comment.

What is Obama if not black? I know, he's half black, half white, etc........so are most people in my family. But we still get stopped by cops a helluva lot and can't get cabs.......just like Sen. Obama, come to think of it.........

How is Obama an extension of Marx. In terms of ideology, that guy is a centrist, especially comparing him to international figures. There are no politicians in America who are anything approaching Marxist.

[Badfish740]

Originally Posted by mike0421

Lynn Swann for governor of Pennsylvania over that unctous scumbag Ed Rendell.

Then why did Swan lose? Pennsylvania is sufficiently Republican enough to elect one to a statewide office. Or did big bad liberal Pittsburgh and Philadelphia get in the way? A black candidate also lost the race for governor in Ohio as well-it has it's liberal pockets of course but it's far from a liberal bastion. Am I the only Howard Stern fan on this board? Howard gets a lot of flak for confronting racism head on. He doesn't act like it doesn't exist-on the contrary, he goofs on it and brings it to light, which people fear more than anything. He acknowledges that he was raised with certain prejudices and that we all have them. What's more, he basically says that they're all a bunch of crap and that we should get over it.

[Lucario]

Originally Posted by Badfish740

Then why did Swan lose? Pennsylvania is sufficiently Republican enough to elect one to a statewide office. Or did big bad liberal Pittsburgh and Philadelphia get in the way? A black candidate also lost the race for governor in Ohio as well-it has it's liberal pockets of course but it's far from a liberal bastion. Am I the only Howard Stern fan on this board? Howard gets a lot of flak for confronting racism head on. He doesn't act like it doesn't exist-on the contrary, he goofs on it and brings it to light, which people fear more than anything. He acknowledges that he was raised with certain prejudices and that we all have them. What's more, he basically says that they're all a bunch of crap and that we should get over it.

I used to be a Howard fan.........before he went pay radio and I couldn't hear him anymore.............. Of course when XM and Sirius merge I should be able to, can't wait.

[tommyc_37]

Sunil's Dad...I was comparing the discrimination against Irish/Italians of yesteryear to discrimination against people of color today. Yes, I think people of color TODAY (I can only speak about NJ/NY area) have it easier than Italian/Irish immigrants of many years ago. Affirmative Action, EOF, and government assistance, as well as campaigns today for cultural acceptance, in my opinion, make it easier for African Americans and other minorities to succeed. All they have to do is TAKE the opportunity that is given to them.

I haven't heard of any lynchings in NJ in my lifetime. Have you?

C'mon, in our society, in NJ, public display of racism is EXTREMELY taboo. It was NOT taboo in the old days of my Italian and Irish ancestors...that is what I was saying.

Slavery itself was not a racial thing...it was an economic thing.

I root for African Americans (as a group) to succeed and overcome their challenges. Not to go on a tangent, but until the glorification of violence, drugs, and womanizing is ELIMINATED from the brand of music that young African Americans tend to favor...then this will continue to be an obstacle. It is the responsibility of the musical artists to not glorify these things...and they are doing a poor job.

In inner cities, it is the norm for young black teens/young adults to dress like they are in a gang or are drug dealers, even if they are NOT in a gang or are drug dealers. Of course those people have a hard time getting a cab...they have the appearance of a person who is potentially dangerous.

I have a good friend who teaches in a public school in Rahway, NJ (majority black). She tells me that the African American kids who do well in school get PICKED on for being "too white" (their words). My friend teaches English. When correcting a 13-year old black girl and teaching her proper ways to say things...the young girl replies "Mrs S, why you trying to make me talk white?". Another black student of hers recently asked her if she "knew who her baby daddy was". Troubling, right? Sunil's Dad...as a seemingly educated and informed African American I think you would agree that this is troubling.

I know, and am friends with, plenty of black people who are not only well-dressed, but well-educated, well-spoken, and quite a pleasure to be around. These people (to my knowledge) do not experience difficulty getting cabs.

Minorities today have all these opportunities given to them (whether or not this is deserved...that's a matter of opinion). I'm saying discriminations in the PAST were overcome by hard work. Today, there are a LOT of opportunities for minorities to get ahead...it just takes a DESIRE. That seems to be the challenge.

Sorry for the long post.

[Lucario]

Originally Posted by tommyc_37

Sunil's Dad...I was comparing the discrimination against Irish/Italians of yesteryear to discrimination against people of color today. Yes, I think people of color TODAY (I can only speak about NJ/NY area) have it easier than Italian/Irish immigrants of many years ago. Affirmative Action, EOF, and government assistance, as well as campaigns today for cultural acceptance, in my opinion, make it easier for African Americans and other minorities to succeed. All they have to do is TAKE the opportunity that is given to them.

I haven't heard of any lynchings in NJ in my lifetime. Have you?

C'mon, in our society, in NJ, public display of racism is EXTREMELY taboo. It was NOT taboo in the old days of my Italian and Irish ancestors...that is what I was saying.

Slavery itself was not a racial thing...it was an economic thing.

I root for African Americans (as a group) to succeed and overcome their challenges. Not to go on a tangent, but until the glorification of violence, drugs, and womanizing is ELIMINATED from the brand of music that young African Americans tend to favor...then this will continue to be an obstacle. It is the responsibility of the musical artists to not glorify these things...and they are doing a poor job.

In inner cities, it is the norm for young black teens/young adults to dress like they are in a gang or are drug dealers, even if they are NOT in a gang or are drug dealers. Of course those people have a hard time getting a cab...they have the appearance of a person who is potentially dangerous.

I have a good friend who teaches in a public school in Rahway, NJ (majority black). She tells me that the African American kids who do well in school get PICKED on for being "too white" (their words). My friend teaches English. When correcting a 13-year old black girl and teaching her proper ways to say things...the young girl replies "Mrs S, why you trying to make me talk white?". Another black student of hers recently asked her if she "knew who her baby daddy was". Troubling, right? Sunil's Dad...as a seemingly educated and informed African American I think you would agree that this is troubling.

I know, and am friends with, plenty of black people who are not only well-dressed, but well-educated, well-spoken, and quite a pleasure to be around. These people (to my knowledge) do not experience difficulty getting cabs.

Minorities today have all these opportunities given to them (whether or not this is deserved...that's a matter of opinion). I'm saying discriminations in the PAST were overcome by hard work. Today, there are a LOT of opportunities for minorities to get ahead...it just takes a DESIRE. That seems to be the challenge.

Sorry for the long post.

Well thanks for the response, Tommy....but you can't reasonably make that comparison. You can only directly compare today to today and yesterday to yesterday. Opportunities for all are more present today, I also agree with that. But the past does have a huge impact. Do you really think that African Americans' continuous self-hatred, which leads to the nihilism and anti-intellectualism that is killing them (literally) today has no basis in or correlation with what has happened in the past? Lynchings are in our collective consciousness, in our soul. When you talk to parents or grandparents who have seen or witnessed their fathers or other relatives destroyed in this way, it has an effect; it does not matter that there have been no lynchings here in NJ in our lifetime (that I know of)

As for the music, I don't think those records in question are distributed or disseminated by black people, because blacks do not control the record industry. But the black artists who produce this junk are cynically manipulating the marketplace and appealing to the "gangster" mentality that has always been part of American culture (see James, Jesse); that is not limited to white or black folks, just greedy, irresponsible ones.

Yes, it incenses me when I hear things like "talking white" or "trying to be white" when black kids try to speak standard English or take up hobbies that are not "typically black." I heard the same things 20-30 years ago when I was in school, and I tried to tell my schoolmates how idiotic those attitudes were. I was not allowed to speak black English in my home, and I only learned it because my schoolmates spoke it. My children even go through this now, because their (maternal) grandmother tells my wife and I that the boys "talk like white kids."

However, I do not act, speak or dress like a gangster, but I still have a problem getting a cab or being harassed (i.e., stopped for no reason) by cops. I do and have done everything "they" tell me to do. Why do I still have these problems?

[Blondie621]

It was reported by the year 2050 only 46% of the USA population will me American white people. The rest will be Spanish, black and other mix! Sad!

[tommyc_37]

Originally Posted by Sunil's Dad

Well thanks for the response, Tommy....but you can't reasonably make that comparison. You can only directly compare today to today and yesterday to yesterday. Opportunities for all are more present today, I also agree with that. But the past does have a huge impact. Do you really think that African Americans' continuous self-hatred, which leads to the nihilism and anti-intellectualism that is killing them (literally) today has no basis in or correlation with what has happened in the past? Lynchings are in our collective consciousness, in our soul. When you talk to parents or grandparents who have seen or witnessed their fathers or other relatives destroyed in this way, it has an effect; it does not matter that there have been no lynchings here in NJ in our lifetime (that I know of)

As for the music, I don't think those records in question are distributed or disseminated by black people, because blacks do not control the record industry. But the black artists who produce this junk are cynically manipulating the marketplace and appealing to the "gangster" mentality that has always been part of American culture (see James, Jesse); that is not limited to white or black folks, just greedy, irresponsible ones.

Yes, it incenses me when I hear things like "talking white" or "trying to be white" when black kids try to speak standard English or take up hobbies that are not "typically black." I heard the same things 20-30 years ago when I was in school, and I tried to tell my schoolmates how idiotic those attitudes were. I was not allowed to speak black English in my home, and I only learned it because my schoolmates spoke it. My children even go through this now, because their (maternal) grandmother tells my wife and I that the boys "talk like white kids."

However, I do not act, speak or dress like a gangster, but I still have a problem getting a cab or being harassed (i.e., stopped for no reason) by cops. I do and have done everything "they" tell me to do. Why do I still have these problems?

You are doing the right thing. It's others that continue to do the wrong thing that are hurting you...and I feel for you, I do.

Somewhere over the past 20-30 years, "black culture" (a good thing) became entwined and essentially replaced by "gangster culture" ( a bad thing). It is the responsibility of the artists (who are mostly black) to STOP glorifying violence, drugs, and womanizing. Record company execs (whether black or white) will always produce music that SELLS...that is their JOB. If the black artists do not record music that glorifies those activities, then the record execs cannot sell it.

I am saddened when I am on the PATH train, and some young black WOMAN has a rap song coming through the headphones, loud enough so that I can hear the lyrics VERY clearly. Upon analysis of these lyrics, I determine that the song is about degrading women sexually (gangbanging, being a player, cheating, etc). Here is this otherwise attractive young lady, bobbing her head energetically to music which is degrading to her gender. Where is her pride and self-esteem?

Hip hop as an art form is not a bad thing. *Gangster hip hop* which is favored by much of black youth, is a very, very bad thing. Many people don't realize how influential it is on our inner city kids. I see it every day.

[Badfish740]

Originally Posted by tommyc_37

Somewhere over the past 20-30 years, "black culture" (a good thing) became entwined and essentially replaced by "gangster culture" ( a bad thing). It is the responsibility of the artists (who are mostly black) to STOP glorifying violence, drugs, and womanizing. Record company execs (whether black or white) will always produce music that SELLS...that is their JOB. If the black artists do not record music that glorifies those activities, then the record execs cannot sell it.

This is art imitating life. When you grow up poor in the inner city, more often than not this is your daily existence. What we now know as "The Blues" comes from black American culture-gee I wonder why? A kid from the streets of the South Bronx or the projects in Baltimore isn't going to be singing about kittens and puppies dancing on rainbows to a tune played by unicorns.