Minorities will be the majority by 2042 (insurance, bus, cabin)

[MPBsr]

Originally Posted by Sunil's Dad

Let's say my heart does not bleed for him. Allan Bakke got rejected by 11 other med schools just because he was white? He eventually got in, he became a doctor. How about those thousands of others who weren't allowed into hundreds of American medical schools for hundreds of years because they were "inferior" people???????????

You talk just like Al Sharpton. Always beating around the answer.

Are you sure you're not him?

Personally I want the best dr. working on me and don't care what his/her color is.
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Going to watch some tv, but "I'll be back"

[Lucario]

Originally Posted by MPBsr

You talk just like Al Sharpton. Always beating around the answer.

Are you sure you're not him?

Personally I want the best dr. working on me and don't care what his/her color is.
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Going to watch some tv, but "I'll be back"

Ya got me. I'm really Al Sharpton, Strom Thurmond's son. Or is that his cousin................?

[Lucario]

Originally Posted by MPBsr

First of all, I always use proper names when talking about people. Unlike you.

Second, go back and read you posts. There was no way you were yanking my chain.

Third, I'm prob older than you.

I have no idea what you are trying to say in your allusion to proper names.

Second, I was yanking your chain. Maybe you're too insensitive to feel it.

Maybe you are older than me. So what? Oh, the "son" thing. That was a direct quote from Lawrence Taylor.

[mike0421]

Originally Posted by Sunil's Dad

Test scores don't mean a thing, because there is great disparity in the quality of our elementary and high schools, which would also lead to classroom performance being an inexact predictor or, indeed, a flawed measure, of ability to perform at higher levels of education. I will agree with you on the bar exam; holders of the juris doctorate, no matter where from, should be able to pass it.

There are thousands of highly qualified people who do not get into the University of Michigan, or even Harvard for that matter. Just because Jennifer Gratz had the numbers she had does not mean that Jennifer Gratz was the highest qualified on all criteria for admission to Ann Arbor.

Sunil,

I will agree with you that there is disparity within the public school system. But here is where our agreement will likely end. Since becoming a parent, I've learned something. The school itself isn't the problem. The quality of the school, what makes it great, is a two-way partnership, that begins and ends with the parents of the children that attend the school. You can look no further than Abbott v Burke, for instance. Money is poured into these school districts at an extremely disproportionate rate, in an attempt to socially engineer a perceived problem. However, the problem of inferior schools in reality doesn't exist. If it did, school districts such as Pemberton, Perth Amboy, and Bridgeton would be performing at the same academic level as Lenape, Berkeley Heights and Old Tappan. This isn't happening though. And its not exclusive to New Jersey. I am bearing first hand witness to it right here in good old New Mexico as well. The left wing in this country mistakenly advocates redistributing wealth as a means to compensate for a perceived social problem. However, the real answer isn't money, it's time. And time can't be allocated by the government the way money can. Time is allocated by parents, in the form of assisting their kids early on, from Kindergarten through 12th grade, in the form of giving time to them in homework activities, after school participation, parent-teacher conferences. When a parent is absent spiritually in this component of the family structure, and instead chooses to allocate money, in the form of Nintendo Wii's and plasma TVs so their kids have a better experience watching Spongebob Squarepants, so they may be less interrupted while text messaging or instant messaging, then you begin to witness the elemental stages of family unit fracture. And this, in turn, persists down into the classroom. Two nights ago, I was at Wal-Mart on a Sunday night, (I have repeated different versions of this story before but it is always the same) at 9:45 PM, and a family, 3 school aged kids in tow, are in line buying soda, ice pops, and Star Wars action figures. These kids presumably have to be up in 8 hours, and that was if they went to bed in the next 15 minutes. These kids ranged in age from about 8 to 5. How in the HELL are these kids going to be prepared to learn in a class room the following morning?

So yes, test scores are inexact, but parenting skills tend not to be. And that is the origin of the school deficiency. Accountability and responsibility. The brick, mortar, computers, and teachers in the school are neutral. The parents, by and large, are the seeds that sew the school atmosphere.

[Lucario]

Mike, you are largely right. Problem is, some of the kids in these districts; I would venture, even, most of them, in reality have no parents. You are making examples of basically middle-class parents who fail their kids because they don't supervise or spend enough time with them. In the Abbott districts, the parents are not allocating money over time; in many cases they have neither money nor time. In many cases, there are simply no parents. What do we do then? Ignoring them is not working.

[EEEPNJ]

Originally Posted by MPBsr

What are you talking about?

My saying there you go again was never meant as any type of quote as noted by no quotation marks.

The mistake that you're making is obvious. You're blinded by your hatred and see what you want to see.

Well, blinded by hatred seems to be a theme in your posts.....

[EEEPNJ]

Originally Posted by MPBsr

You talk just like Al Sharpton. Always beating around the answer.

Are you sure you're not him?

Personally I want the best dr. working on me and don't care what his/her color is.
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Going to watch some tv, but "I'll be back"

Thanks for the warning! LOL

[MPBsr]

Originally Posted by EEEPNJ

Well, blinded by hatred seems to be a theme in your posts.....

I say it because people talk without showing facts.

[MPBsr]

Originally Posted by Sunil's Dad

I have no idea what you are trying to say in your allusion to proper names.

Second, I was yanking your chain. Maybe you're too insensitive to feel it.

Maybe you are older than me. So what? Oh, the "son" thing. That was a direct quote from Lawrence Taylor.

Your quote:

"The composition of Dubya Bush's Cabinet, or for that matter, Reagan's Cabinet, or Poppy Bush's Cabinet, means bupkes to me".

...and the son thing was never meant as a direct quote since quotation marks were never used.

[EEEPNJ]

Originally Posted by Sunil's Dad

Mike, you are largely right. Problem is, some of the kids in these districts; I would venture, even, most of them, in reality have no parents. You are making examples of basically middle-class parents who fail their kids because they don't supervise or spend enough time with them. In the Abbott districts, the parents are not allocating money over time; in many cases they have neither money nor time. In many cases, there are simply no parents. What do we do then? Ignoring them is not working.

Agreed.

I can agree with your points Mike, I really can. If children are not cared for properly at home, there is no way they will perform well in school. If a child is dealing with abuse, neglect, and missing the basic vital elements in their life, well, you bet they are not going to do well. And I agree with many leaders, including Barack Obama and Bill Cosby, when they have said that some of the changes that are facing the African-American (or any other) community need to be addressed internally. You can't have children and ignore them. That goes without saying. And it's not a race issue, it's a human issue. But I do agree with Sunil's Dad... ignoring the issue and saying "oh well, not going to bother" is not going to help anyone.

Further, I have attended inner city schools...as well as higher end private schools in my lifetime. And there is a difference, and while parents are a big part of the equation, they are far from the only part. If the surroundings, the teachers, the curriculum, the administrators care, the children will have a haven in school that they do not have at home. I speak from experience because there were many children in BOTH of my schools that had serious problems at home... where do you think most of my schoolmates who were minorities in failing inner city schools ended up? Where do you think the more affluent non-minority children in my private school ended up?

There are many factors involved.

CHILDREN do not ask to be born into situations. I am of the mind that we as a society can not turn our backs on those in need....and a child born into poverty and disaray should - in America - have the same chance at "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" as a child born to a CEO in Bernardsville. And THAT is what I think America was created on.