Minorities will be the majority by 2042 (deductible, wages, housing)

[EEEPNJ]

Originally Posted by MPBsr

I say it because people talk without showing facts.

You say it because your own mind is shut too. You should open it. I don't know why you have so much anger. But I'm sorry that you do.

[EEEPNJ]

Question - to Mike in particular - but to MPB and JerseyGuy and any others out there that want to comment.

Let's just say that there is a person - of any race, creed, and bacground - but for purposes of this argument, let's say the person is a child. I am using a child as the example because children really don't have a voice or a say, they are there by for the grace of God if they don't have parents or guardians who care for them. Let's not even argue schooling...or housing... or neighborhods... let's make it life and death. The child is ill, seriously ill, and without proper medical care they may die.

If we lived in the society that you speak of - one with no social support systems whatsover - would it just be ok with you that this child was left to die? What if there were no parent in the picture - an absentee father, an addict mother who can't care for herself no less a child - again, any race, religion... but this is the scenario. The child has no way of getting a job. They can't pull themselves up by their bootstraps... they are at the mercy of those who are to care for him/her. But they are really on their own.

In this scenario...should the child die just because they do not have the money or insurance to to pay for medical treatment?

Because 0 social services would mean just that.

I really do not consider myself a liberal. I consider myself a conservative, moderate or liberal depending on the issue at hand... but if we are talking social programs some of my conservative friends always jump to "so you support welfar queens bilking the system on your dime." OF course I do not. Honnestly, very few do. BUT if you are going to take it to one extreme...this is my example of taking it to another.

What would be the correct answer in the scenario I mention here?

[Lucario]

Originally Posted by MPBsr

Your quote:

"The composition of Dubya Bush's Cabinet, or for that matter, Reagan's Cabinet, or Poppy Bush's Cabinet, means bupkes to me".

...and the son thing was never meant as a direct quote since quotation marks were never used.

Sir.............you have absolutely no sense of humor, nor a sense of irony. Attempting to add even a modicum of levity (silliness?) to a discussion with you is futile. You'd make a great ayatollah.

I'm done with you.

[Lucario]

Originally Posted by EEEPNJ

Question - to Mike in particular - but to MPB and JerseyGuy and any others out there that want to comment.

Let's just say that there is a person - of any race, creed, and bacground - but for purposes of this argument, let's say the person is a child. I am using a child as the example because children really don't have a voice or a say, they are there by for the grace of God if they don't have parents or guardians who care for them. Let's not even argue schooling...or housing... or neighborhods... let's make it life and death. The child is ill, seriously ill, and without proper medical care they may die.

If we lived in the society that you speak of - one with no social support systems whatsover - would it just be ok with you that this child was left to die? What if there were no parent in the picture - an absentee father, an addict mother who can't care for herself no less a child - again, any race, religion... but this is the scenario. The child has no way of getting a job. They can't pull themselves up by their bootstraps... they are at the mercy of those who are to care for him/her. But they are really on their own.

In this scenario...should the child die just because they do not have the money or insurance to to pay for medical treatment?

Because 0 social services would mean just that.

I really do not consider myself a liberal. I consider myself a conservative, moderate or liberal depending on the issue at hand... but if we are talking social programs some of my conservative friends always jump to "so you support welfar queens bilking the system on your dime." OF course I do not. Honnestly, very few do. BUT if you are going to take it to one extreme...this is my example of taking it to another.

What would be the correct answer in the scenario I mention here?

As an aside (EEEP, this is not directed at you), I can assure you, from living in many "bad" areas around this country, that most people in them are not "welfare queens" or "freeloaders." Most (the emphasis is on most) are honest, aspiring, hard-working people who do not have the resources to do better than they are doing. Characterizing them as "welfare queens" or blaming them for their own bad situations is wrong, and it is one of the problems I have with the generally mean tone of conservative discourse.

[MPBsr]

Originally Posted by EEEPNJ

You say it because your own mind is shut too. You should open it. I don't know why you have so much anger. But I'm sorry that you do.

You must be kidding. Show me the anger?

[MPBsr]

Originally Posted by Sunil's Dad

Sir.............you have absolutely no sense of humor, nor a sense of irony. Attempting to add even a modicum of levity (silliness?) to a discussion with you is futile. You'd make a great ayatollah.

I'm done with you.

Your posts where never meant as humor or irony.

Glad to see that your eyes have opened and now you're trying to turn your posts into something funny.

[MPBsr]

Originally Posted by EEEPNJ

Question - to Mike in particular - but to MPB and JerseyGuy and any others out there that want to comment.

Let's just say that there is a person - of any race, creed, and bacground - but for purposes of this argument, let's say the person is a child. I am using a child as the example because children really don't have a voice or a say, they are there by for the grace of God if they don't have parents or guardians who care for them. Let's not even argue schooling...or housing... or neighborhods... let's make it life and death. The child is ill, seriously ill, and without proper medical care they may die.

If we lived in the society that you speak of - one with no social support systems whatsover - would it just be ok with you that this child was left to die? What if there were no parent in the picture - an absentee father, an addict mother who can't care for herself no less a child - again, any race, religion... but this is the scenario. The child has no way of getting a job. They can't pull themselves up by their bootstraps... they are at the mercy of those who are to care for him/her. But they are really on their own.

In this scenario...should the child die just because they do not have the money or insurance to to pay for medical treatment?

Because 0 social services would mean just that.

I really do not consider myself a liberal. I consider myself a conservative, moderate or liberal depending on the issue at hand... but if we are talking social programs some of my conservative friends always jump to "so you support welfar queens bilking the system on your dime." OF course I do not. Honnestly, very few do. BUT if you are going to take it to one extreme...this is my example of taking it to another.

What would be the correct answer in the scenario I mention here?

Of course the child shouldn't be left to die. No matter what their gender or background.

And what society do I speak of?

I'm a conservative who believes in giving people the fishing pole, not the fish.

[EEEPNJ]

Originally Posted by Sunil's Dad

As an aside (EEEP, this is not directed at you), I can assure you, from living in many "bad" areas around this country, that most people in them are not "welfare queens" or "freeloaders." Most (the emphasis is on most) are honest, aspiring, hard-working people who do not have the resources to do better than they are doing. Characterizing them as "welfare queens" or blaming them for their own bad situations is wrong, and it is one of the problems I have with the generally mean tone of conservative discourse.

Agreed.

I also work for an organization that employs a lot of the working poor... and let me tell you ... these are people living in areas that are not great, and working their tails off... for not a lot of money. Most can not afford the mediocre (at best) benefits offered by the company. I have seen people who live in "bad" areas...who work 60 hours a week for my company and then have second jobs. Yet they don't make much money. When they are ill, or their children are ill... they call me and ask what they can do. My heart breaks for them. They are not lazy, they are anything but. I dare you to find me your average CEO making 8 figures who works as hard as most of these folks, yet that "golden opportunity" does not exist for them, and it probably never will. Poverty is institutionalized in America. If you don't know it chances are you have never lived it. If you have gotten out of it (as I have, I'm not wealthy, but I'm not living in poverty anymore... my child will never know what I did) but if you have the constitution, the drive, the intelligence, the emotional strength, the support, and maybe the LUCK to get out of it... don't condemn all of those who don't. Thank your God above for giving you what you needed to get to where you are and show COMPASSION - it's sorely lacking in todays world.

[JerseyG]

Originally Posted by Sunil's Dad

Oh yeah, the trolls come out at night. Glad you revealed yourself for what you really are rather than a simple "observer." So living on the same earth as everyone else equals "Africanization?" Hate to tell you this, brother, but all humanity, which presumably includes even you, are descended from Africans. I have no agenda other than to live a peaceful, safe life. If you don't share that agenda, I am both unapologetic and sorry for you. I mean, you can associate or not associate with anyone you please; I feel your "rights" should be protected. I was simply pointing out that if you really want to do that, if myself, my family and and other race mongrels (mixtures of sub-Saharan and other parts of the planet) scare you so much, you may just have to find another planet.

Happy hunting.

No, we're all from apes...last I heard...at least that's what's being taught in school. You've got proof otherwise? We're all Africans? Good. Reparations are a thing of the past then. Glad it won't be brought up again either. Glad to know Africans (or at least decendents of) sold their fellow Africans into slavery. It's over now? Great!

[JerseyG]

Originally Posted by Sunil's Dad

You also have to realize that suburban white kids buy much more of this stuff than black inner-city kids ever will!

Why do you think that would be?

Better to be a black inner -city drug dealer than a white-suburban kid who uses? Does that mean a future salesman in the making? Head of his/her own personal cartel someday?

It's a shame that you think all inner-city schools are that apathetic. Why don't you put the blame where it's due , for once, and that would be on the majority of parents who live in the "inner-cities" like it's 1925 and apparently want to live like they have NOwhere to sit on a bus but in the back, even in 2008.

You've got QUITE the chip on your shoulder.