Minorities will be the majority by 2042 (health care, company, roach)

[Lucario]

Originally Posted by mike0421

I'm not so sure universal health care is the answer. It's not what it's cracked up to be. If you reference Canada, as an example, more than 825,000 Canadian citizens (or about one out of 33) are currently on waiting lists for surgery and other necessary treatments. Fifteen years ago, the average wait between a referral from a primary-care doctor to treatment by a specialist was around nine weeks. Today, that wait is over 16 weeks, or about double what doctors consider clinically reasonable. Why? In part, these waits are due to a doctor shortage. According to the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development, Canada ranks 24th out of 28 countries in doctors per thousand people.

Why so few doctors? Over the past decade, about 11 percent of physicians trained in Canadian medical schools have moved to the United States. That’s because doctors’ salaries in Canada are negotiated, set and paid for by provincial governments and held down by cost-conscious budget analysts. Today, in fact, the average Canadian doctor earns only 42 percent of what a doctor earns in the United States.

I don't want government involved any more than it already is involved in our health care system.

Mike, I really don't know what it's cracked up to be, but at least in Canada people have some assurance that they will get health care. Here, a lot of people don't have anything even approaching Canada's level. I'd rather be on a waiting list than on no list at all........Our health care system is a failure and a disaster. I'd rather take my chances in Canada.

[tandcookies]

Originally Posted by mike0421

I'm not so sure universal health care is the answer. It's not what it's cracked up to be. If you reference Canada, as an example, more than 825,000 Canadian citizens (or about one out of 33) are currently on waiting lists for surgery and other necessary treatments. Fifteen years ago, the average wait between a referral from a primary-care doctor to treatment by a specialist was around nine weeks. Today, that wait is over 16 weeks, or about double what doctors consider clinically reasonable. Why? In part, these waits are due to a doctor shortage. According to the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development, Canada ranks 24th out of 28 countries in doctors per thousand people.

Why so few doctors? Over the past decade, about 11 percent of physicians trained in Canadian medical schools have moved to the United States. That’s because doctors’ salaries in Canada are negotiated, set and paid for by provincial governments and held down by cost-conscious budget analysts. Today, in fact, the average Canadian doctor earns only 42 percent of what a doctor earns in the United States.

I don't want government involved any more than it already is involved in our health care system.

I have to say as someone who has had a lot of surgeries (20 since I was 15), I am so much better off here with the system of healthcare than Canada. I have friends all over the world, including many in Canada who also suffer from Neurofibromatosis 2 and need surgery often.

The Canadians that I know for the most part are not at all happy with their healthcare from what's available to the huge wait time.

[Lucario]

Originally Posted by tandcookies

I have to say as someone who has had a lot of surgeries (20 since I was 15), I am so much better off here with the system of healthcare than Canada. I have friends all over the world, including many in Canada who also suffer from Neurofibromatosis 2 and need surgery often.

The Canadians that I know for the most part are not at all happy with their healthcare from what's available to the huge wait time.

Do you have health insurance? If you didn't, you might not have been able to have the care you have now..............

[tandcookies]

Originally Posted by Sunil's Dad

Do you have health insurance? If you didn't, you might not have been able to have the care you have now..............

Yes, thank God I do. However I have a friend who dated a man who found out he had brain cancer and had no insurance. He has received all the medical care he has needed right here in NJ, via charity care.

There were many surgeries and hospital stays for close to a year and my friend had very few complaints with his care.

[Lucario]

Originally Posted by tandcookies

Yes, thank God I do. However I have a friend who dated a man who found out he had brain cancer and had no insurance. He has received all the medical care he has needed right here in NJ, via charity care.

There were many surgeries and hospital stays for close to a year and my friend had very few complaints with his care.

Has he been hit with the bill yet?

[JERSEY MAN]

Originally Posted by Sunil's Dad

Has he been hit with the bill yet?

That's why it's called charity care.

[Lucario]

Check some earlier posts on this thread....

[tandcookies]

Originally Posted by Sunil's Dad

Has he been hit with the bill yet?

Yes and to my knowledge,

• it was less than what I had to pay after the insurance company paid what they did.

Look, I'm not trying to deny anyone anything. I think everyone should have access to healthcare! I do not believe it would be good for people with chronic/serious issues to have our system modeled on Canada's.

Furthermore, I find it sad when people who have insurance get a higher or another bill (out of pocket/not covered by insurance) to make up for those who don't have insurance.

[JerseyG]

Originally Posted by Sunil's Dad

No, what's being taught in school is that the first Homo sapiens (that would be a human being) "evolved" from a primate ancestor in Kenya. That would be Africa. Yes, we are all Africans.

And yes, Africans did sell Africans to Europeans (who, believe it or not, did descend from Africans) as slaves. If you don't want to hear anything about reparations, don't bring up slavery. Unfortunately for all of us, it is not over.

OK?

Thanks for your response.

So what you are saying, just so I can understand, is that the FIRST homo sapiens evolved from Kenya....yet at the same time not all Europeans were decendents from Kenya where the FIRST human beings came from?

Where did those Europeans come from?

Hey, I've got family in Europe...most of the time I think they came from and still reside on Mars. It's amazing what living in a socialistic state can do to you...but I'm sure I'll realize the entire experience soon enough should Obama be elected POTUS.

[EEEPNJ]

Originally Posted by mike0421

I'm not so sure universal health care is the answer. It's not what it's cracked up to be. If you reference Canada, as an example, more than 825,000 Canadian citizens (or about one out of 33) are currently on waiting lists for surgery and other necessary treatments. Fifteen years ago, the average wait between a referral from a primary-care doctor to treatment by a specialist was around nine weeks. Today, that wait is over 16 weeks, or about double what doctors consider clinically reasonable. Why? In part, these waits are due to a doctor shortage. According to the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development, Canada ranks 24th out of 28 countries in doctors per thousand people.

Why so few doctors? Over the past decade, about 11 percent of physicians trained in Canadian medical schools have moved to the United States. That’s because doctors’ salaries in Canada are negotiated, set and paid for by provincial governments and held down by cost-conscious budget analysts. Today, in fact, the average Canadian doctor earns only 42 percent of what a doctor earns in the United States.

I don't want government involved any more than it already is involved in our health care system.

Don't kid yourself, we're not much better here. I know, it's my industry. I have one person who waited 8 wks for hip surgery. I have another employee who waited 12 weeks to have her son evaluated for severe mental disabilities. I had another who had breast cancer (confirmed) and was told she'd have to wait 5 wks for surgery. This is when DAYS count. I myself have made appointments with "specialists" in August and have been told "our next available is November 18th...." so how much better is it here?

I was listening to Michael Bloomberg's take on our helathcare system yesterday - it was interesting.