Minorities will be the majority by 2042 (Princeton: buy, bankruptcy, private schools)

[Lucario]

Originally Posted by tahiti

so, that means richy-rich CEO is a better person than I because he has more money to give to charity, for instance?
that's not fair and you know it. how could denmark, with a population less than manhattan, possibly compete economically with the US?

and, the US couldn't even save its own people during katrina.

It didn't really try very hard to save them either. Like some people on this thread believe, and they know why they are, seems as if black/nonwhite life is not as valuable as white life.

[NewInCherryHill]

Originally Posted by JERSEY MAN

Mike0421 you have my vote for president. I give you one example how SOME hard working people get screwed. My daughter would qualify for free college under the NJ Stars program if we made 99,999 or less. So if I worked harder and made 100,001 she does not qualify because we are 2 dollars over a govt. program. Well I'll give another, NJ property tax rebate program, my wife and I both bust our hump so we are over 150K which is the cutoff for rebates. So if she became lazy and stayed home we would qualify. WHERE IS THE REWARD FOR BREAKING YOUR ARSE in this country and state. I guess I woke up on the wrong side of the bed again. If we quit are jobs we can be rewarded with free college and a rebate on our outrageous property taxes. I HEAR YA MIKE, LOUD AND CLEAR.

If the goverment had a sound fiscal policy your taxes would be very low...wage taxes could be eliminated and property taxes could be lowered to next to nothing.

The other issue is our governments unwillingness to balance the trade deficit...when you let American corps outsoure all of their labor needs to other countries and you stifle the GDP which historically has meant middle class jobs are lost but since we've planted the seeds of capitialism in these developing countries white colar jobs are now being outsourced as well so folks with degrees are no longer safe.

SO these social programs are needed to stem the bleeding caused by American corporate greed and lack of social responsibility...they only care about increasing profits NOT about improving America...it's just about the most UNPATRIOTIC action happening today! Internal terroism if you ask me.

Go read some of Thomas Jefferson's writings...he dam near predicted the mess we are in now along with some of his peers.

Buy American!
Don't Pollute!
Say no to drugs!

Adhering to these bumper stickers of the 80's would have made America very much stronger than she is today...

[JERSEY MAN]

Thanks to my upbringing, father and mother bothed worked their whole life, instilled a very hard work ethic in our entire family, we were taught to fend and feed ourselves. And not to think the govt. will save us and support us. We grew up poor and 3 boys lived in a ten by ten room in a tenement in JC. We are all successful and never, ever once collected welfare or unemployment or food stamps. Work, hard work sometimes 16 hours a day with 2 hours sleep and doing it again for years is the answer. Not sitting at home waiting for govt. to provide.

[ckhthankgod]

Originally Posted by NewInCherryHill

If the goverment had a sound fiscal policy your taxes would be very low...wage taxes could be eliminated and property taxes could be lowered to next to nothing.

The other issue is our governments unwillingness to balance the trade deficit...when you let American corps outsoure all of their labor needs to other countries and you stifle the GDP which historically has meant middle class jobs are lost but since we've planted the seeds of capitialism in these developing countries white colar jobs are now being outsourced as well so folks with degrees are no longer safe.

SO these social programs are needed to stem the bleeding caused by American corporate greed and lack of social responsibility...they only care about increasing profits NOT about improving America...it's just about the most UNPATRIOTIC action happening today! Internal terroism if you ask me.

Go read some of Thomas Jefferson's writings...he dam near predicted the mess we are in now along with some of his peers.

Buy American!
Don't Pollute!
Say no to drugs!

Adhering to these bumper stickers of the 80's would have made America very much stronger than she is today...

So true....I also would like to add that the corporate welfare that is given out might be the biggest form of welfare that is hurting the country, but it seems like we let that slide as well. Just ask a Northeasterner about their taxes.

[nicolem]

Originally Posted by JERSEY MAN

Thanks to my upbringing, father and mother bothed worked their whole life, instilled a very hard work ethic in our entire family, we were taught to fend and feed ourselves. And not to think the govt. will save us and support us. We grew up poor and 3 boys lived in a ten by ten room in a tenement in JC. We are all successful and never, ever once collected welfare or unemployment or food stamps. Work, hard work sometimes 16 hours a day with 2 hours sleep and doing it again for years is the answer. Not sitting at home waiting for govt. to provide.

I agree. Many of us grew up with nothing and never took a hand out, welfare, etc.. Parents worked two or three jobs if they had to. We live in a much different world today. I guess it is much easier to demand that the "government" aka the taxpayers provide for you then you get off of your butt and do what needs to be done.

[Spincycle]

Back in the day when US was much less diverse, AA was instituted (w/quotas) to [supposedly] help african americans (already here) get ahead in society. Our nation become more much diverse and populated as a result of changing immigration policy (1965) then AA got some negative publicity. Today AA has been replaced with complex diversity models of various sorts (still w/quotas) but expanded for all non-white people. This applies to both people already here and the huge influx of newcomers too (including some that are very educated, very wealthy, and very succesful). So I question the agenda of the diversicrats? It doesn't seem like they care about most African americans since they are handing out preferences to several newbys not in need of it. The system is totally flawed. There must be a better way.

[Lucario]

You "bootstrap pullers" all have a point. "When I was a kid, my parents worked hard. They instilled a work ethic," etc. etc. "They never took handouts." Fine. Dandy. I get it. Really, I do. The problem I have with all this is that your families had the assurance that their efforts would be rewarded, and would not be thwarted, either by government, corporate entities or other citizens. The problem is, these guarantees have never been equally applied to all citizens. Do you actually believe that African Americans have had the same opportunities, either political, social or economic, that your families have had? One of the major sources of the disparity in progress between majorities and minorities in this society has been the calculated efforts by said majority to keep the wealth in its own hands. You can crow all you want about government interference and intervention, and the so-called problems you see in the cultural outlook of said minorities, but when you repress a group long enough, that group soon learns to have lesser expectations. It is a self-fulfilling prophecy that comes from the manner in which this country's societal mores, and economic system, has been set up. You can't expect people to pull themselves up from their bootstraps when they don't have any bootstraps and are kept from acquiring the means to get them. When they want to buy bootstraps, you won't hire them. When they wish to make them, you erect legal and economic barriers to keep them from obtaining the raw materials. When they ask you to give them some, you condemn them for being dependent and having a victim mentality. And when they get desperate and try to steal them, you put them in jail and confiscate their assets through forfeiture.

[JERSEY MAN]

My career path has crossed thru and in and around working and dealing with people that today are called the minority. I went to the public school system in Jersey City. I, took a civil service test which is open to anyone, all creeds, sexual preferences and so forth. Any promotion is done thru a common civil service test. They go down the list by your score. 1/ Jones 2/ Smith 3/ Johnson/ 4/ Perez. Get it. Now we lowered are standards of hiring because many minorities couldn't pass the simple civil service test and we have hiring quotas. The state police are now doing the same thing. It's called dumbing down the requirements to get people employed to meet AA commitments. So your local police and fire depts. don't have the best qualified candidates, they want to have white, black, female, gay, chinese and so on. Not the smartest and best applicants, but for the group photo the right colors and creeds.

[Spincycle]

Originally Posted by JERSEY MAN

My career path has crossed thru and in and around working and dealing with people that today are called the minority. Now we lowered are standards of hiring because many minorities couldn't pass the simple civil service test and we have hiring quotas. It's called dumbing down the requirements to get people employed to meet AA commitments. So your local police and fire depts. don't have the best qualified candidates, they want to have white, black, female, gay, chinese and so on. Not the smartest and best applicants, but for the group photo the right colors and creeds.

Much of the same is true at the PA of NY/NJ.

[wileynj]

Originally Posted by Sunil's Dad

You "bootstrap pullers" all have a point. "When I was a kid, my parents worked hard. They instilled a work ethic," etc. etc. "They never took handouts." Fine. Dandy. I get it. Really, I do. The problem I have with all this is that your families had the assurance that their efforts would be rewarded, and would not be thwarted, either by government, corporate entities or other citizens. The problem is, these guarantees have never been equally applied to all citizens. Do you actually believe that African Americans have had the same opportunities, either political, social or economic, that your families have had? One of the major sources of the disparity in progress between majorities and minorities in this society has been the calculated efforts by said majority to keep the wealth in its own hands. You can crow all you want about government interference and intervention, and the so-called problems you see in the cultural outlook of said minorities, but when you repress a group long enough, that group soon learns to have lesser expectations. It is a self-fulfilling prophecy that comes from the manner in which this country's societal mores, and economic system, has been set up. You can't expect people to pull themselves up from their bootstraps when they don't have any bootstraps and are kept from acquiring the means to get them. When they want to buy bootstraps, you won't hire them. When they wish to make them, you erect legal and economic barriers to keep them from obtaining the raw materials. When they ask you to give them some, you condemn them for being dependent and having a victim mentality. And when they get desperate and try to steal them, you put them in jail and confiscate their assets through forfeiture.

GREAT POST! I tried to rep you but I need to spread the love around first!