Obama will ruin the economy (Stimulus at $900 billion) (Franklin, Deal: high school, gated)

[theoakman]

Originally Posted by Aylalou

You don't know your history, as I figured. Roosevelt ie. goverment - saved us when Hoover got us into the depression. Know thy history instead of ranting.

I don't need you DM-ing me with coarse language Oakman. Your posts are no longer of any consequence at all. You wasted your time.

If Roosevelt saved you from the depression, how come it took 10 years from his election in 1933 for the depression to end? That's not what I would call good results. Hoover did get us into the depression. FDR prolonged it. You don't know your history. If you want to read a real history book on the Great Depression, I would suggest your read "America's Great Depression" by Murray Rothbard. Those history textbooks they gave you in high school ignore facts.

One of Roosevelt's plans to end the depression involved the AAA. They reasoned that if you burned all the crops and slaughtered all the livestock, that prices would rise and farmers would then be able to pay off their bills. So they paid farmers to burn their crops and slaughter their cattle/pigs and they disposed of all of them. And you wonder why people starved during the Great Depression? THERE WAS NO FOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thank you Franklin Delano Roosevelt, you managed to deprive millions of Americans from eating.

[tallguylehigh]

Yeah, the New Deal really didnt end the Depression, World War II did.

[FlyersFan]

Originally Posted by theoakman

combined... so what? That doesn't change the point. Obama has already proclaimed that he's going to spend more than Bush ever did.

OK.....apparently you still didn't check into Roosevelt history as "Aylalou" suggested you do.....again...Obama has only been in office 3 weeks and your whining....nothing really has been accomplished and it will be a long time before we know how the country responds to this package so at this point all your accomplishing is keeping your lungs healthy by using them to whine and we certainly have enough whiners around and don't need another.......so....do us all a favor and take a history course this spring and check back in this summer and we'll see where the country is then ?

[FlyersFan]

Originally Posted by theoakman

And you wonder why people starved during the Great Depression? THERE WAS NO FOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thank you Franklin Delano Roosevelt, you managed to deprive millions of Americans from eating.

Wasn't there a liitle bad weather involed here combined with poor farmer crop rotation that caused the top soil to dry up and blow away....in fact...wasn't it a catastrophic situation called the "dust bowl" that lasted almost 10 years ? Come on.....your not going to blame that on Roosevelt too...are you ??? A conspiracy between the farmers and Roosevelt to cause the dust bowl just so American people wouldn't have food ? Are you serious ?

[FlyersFan]

Originally Posted by tallguylehigh

Yeah, the New Deal really didnt end the Depression, World War II did.

Gee......we're in the economic crapper but the Iraq war and the spending 12 billion dollars a month on it doesn't seem to be helping us at all......and we've already been in this war twice as long as WW2....if you follow your logic we should be twice prosperous now as after WW2 ? I could be wrong but I think it may have something to do with the Federal government pressuring banks to make loans to low income familys to get them into houses with no oversight on the criteria they used ?

[theoakman]

Originally Posted by FlyersFan

OK.....apparently you still didn't check into Roosevelt history as "Aylalou" suggested you do.....again...Obama has only been in office 3 weeks and your whining....nothing really has been accomplished and it will be a long time before we know how the country responds to this package so at this point all your accomplishing is keeping your lungs healthy by using them to whine and we certainly have enough whiners around and don't need another.......so....do us all a favor and take a history course this spring and check back in this summer and we'll see where the country is then ?

Maybe you should reread my post. I've read more books and scholarly papers on the Great Depression than 99.99% of Americans. Your sense of history is relegated to your high school history text book.

I suggest you pick up a real book. Go read Murray Rothbard or Milton Friedman (Nobel Prize Winner), you might learn something outside of the normal revisionist history than you are accustomed to.

[theoakman]

Originally Posted by FlyersFan

Wasn't there a liitle bad weather involed here combined with poor farmer crop rotation that caused the top soil to dry up and blow away....in fact...wasn't it a catastrophic situation called the "dust bowl" that lasted almost 10 years ? Come on.....your not going to blame that on Roosevelt too...are you ??? A conspiracy between the farmers and Roosevelt to cause the dust bowl just so American people wouldn't have food ? Are you serious ?

rofl, what the F are you talking about?? Yeah, a nationwide dust storm that lasted 10 years. That's it. /end sarcasm.

Stop telling me to read history when you have no grasp on what history. Do yourself a favor and read.

take 5 minutes and read about the AAA

Agricultural Adjustment Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This isn't some conspiracy, this is American History and it was the official policy of the federal government at the time.

[sholden]

Originally Posted by Aylalou

You don't know your history, as I figured. Roosevelt ie. goverment - saved us when Hoover got us into the depression. Know thy history instead of ranting.

Since 90% of Roosevelt's New Deal was actually put in place by Hoover, how exactly do you think Roosevelt saved us?

I agree Hoover got us into the depression, with the exact same things the Keynesians say got us out under Roosevelt.

Yes of course the Keynesians proclaim the New Deal saved the day - ignoring that the only Depression in US history was the the one that the New Deal policies preceded, and all the previous deflationary downturns didn't result in such a thing.

I guess the silver lining of this might be the end og Keynesian craziness, after all their stimulus ideas are being implemented and the whole thing is going to implode because of it. Then again, as always, they'll say "if you had stimulated more!".

[FlyersFan]

Originally Posted by theoakman

Maybe you should reread my post. I've read more books and scholarly papers on the Great Depression than 99.99% of Americans. Your sense of history is relegated to your high school history text book.

I suggest you pick up a real book. Go read Murray Rothbard or Milton Friedman (Nobel Prize Winner), you might learn something outside of the normal revisionist history than you are accustomed to.

Of course it wasn't one continuous weather system as you seem to suggest but it did last many years in the 30s and it did decimate the crops and cattle throughout the heartland. Apparently they left out that little tidbit about the 10 years of whats commonly known as the "dust bowl" in your book ? Sounds like poor editing to me....I'd complain if I were you instead of blaming it on Roosevelt !

[sholden]

Originally Posted by theoakman

rofl, what the F are you talking about?? Yeah, a nationwide dust storm that lasted 10 years. That's it. /end sarcasm.
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That's funny!

Since you seem to like wikipedia: Dust Bowl - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia