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Old 03-09-2009, 07:43 PM
 
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We need a third party candidate at the very least. Nationally but locally would be even better.
A third party sounds attractive. But other than it's "cache", do you think a third party stands a chance? In my case, as a conservative, I prefer to attempt to reinvigorate the Republican Party. Get out and tell the people what we stand for. Convince them with the logic of our position.

The Republican Party has abandoned it's principles; mostly on fiscal matters, illegal immigration, and the role/size of government. Huge issues, all.

We've become the "Lite" version of the Democrats. We lost; and we deserved to lose.
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Old 03-09-2009, 07:55 PM
 
Location: New Jersey/Florida
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These problems have been in NJ for 25-30 years. Both political parties have dropped the ball. So lets stop nitpicking on whose fault it is and was. There is only one answer STOP SPENDING EVERYONES MONEY. If I go for groceries and I have a 100 dollar bill, I don't buy 150 dollars worth of stuff. BOTH parties are and were doing it. Every governor promised reduced spending and none has. Look at the tax hikes in some towns Hoboken 47 percent, West New York 35 percent. The residents still vote the mayors in. My taxes doubled in less than 10 years. I was a union rep and we would have taken raises of 2 or 2.5 percent, no the city says take a 4 percent raise or leave it. Now it bites everyone in the ass. Towns and Counties pay retirees 100 of thousands of dollars buyout money and that doesn't even include pensions and healthcare. They don't care and why should they. They have the same gang of idiots that vote them in year after year. Wait till Corzine tells the towns and cities tomorrow No mas, no mas. Everyones taxes will skyrocket and a pack of butts will cost about 20 bucks. I could write about 100 pages on ways to conserve money for towns and cities because I have seen waste for over 30 years that would make you puke.
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Old 03-09-2009, 07:55 PM
 
Location: NJ
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Why do NJ residents tolerate such high taxes?

Many of us NJ residents were dropped on our heads as children.
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Old 03-09-2009, 08:01 PM
 
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Third party definitely. Republican party will not morph into anything respectable anytime soon. It's easier to see this at the national level.
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Old 03-09-2009, 08:48 PM
 
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IMO This is what most politicians in NJ recite before starting their day and before going to bed:

Greed for lack of a better word, is good. Greed is right, greed works. Greed clarifies, cuts through and captures the essence of being a politician. Greed, in all of its forms; greed for kickbacks, for power, for not caring spending other peoples hard earned money has marked the upward size of government and their so called entitlements.

I made changes to part of the Gordon Gekko "Greed is Good" speech - Wall Street movie.
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Old 03-09-2009, 08:51 PM
 
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One area New Jersey residents should look at is pensions and retiree benefits. Not out of vindictiveness. Simply to shed some "sunlight".

Don't the Democrats welcome "sunlight" in government affairs?
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Old 03-09-2009, 08:54 PM
 
Location: Teaneck, NJ
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o god..

LOCATION LOCATION LOCATION!!

simple as that.
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Old 03-10-2009, 12:45 AM
 
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Christine Todd "Christie" Whitman wasn't exactly that long ago.
She was a total disaster. Stereotypical RINO.
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Old 03-10-2009, 05:15 AM
 
Location: New Jersey/Florida
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A third party sounds attractive. But other than it's "cache", do you think a third party stands a chance? In my case, as a conservative, I prefer to attempt to reinvigorate the Republican Party. Get out and tell the people what we stand for. Convince them with the logic of our position.

The Republican Party has abandoned it's principles; mostly on fiscal matters, illegal immigration, and the role/size of government. Huge issues, all.

We've become the "Lite" version of the Democrats. We lost; and we deserved to lose.
Come on now you seem like an intelligent person, a conservative republican has about the same chance of GWB getting elected a third time. It's not going to happen in NJ so the repubs have to water a candidate down to have a chance. As a lifelong repub. from a dem. state this is quite obvious.
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Old 03-10-2009, 06:31 AM
 
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I've lived in NJ all of my life, and it's always been a corrupt cesspool. Don't be fooled by lables like "democrat" or "republican". It's been a bipartisan hit job as long as I could remember. I've seen enough in my life here to know it's a losing battle to fight back, and I won't be spending my retirement years here. I have good family and friends here, but it's demoralizing when you look at NJ, and what it's become. It only gets worse. It never gets better.
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