east orange condos: 60 parkway vs. empireview (Newark, Montclair: apartment, renting, crime)

[jigglypuff]

Hello,

I went to the see the 60 parkway drive condo a few days ago and fell in love. but i worry...

i am a commuter from NYC and dont intend to spend anytime in east orange outside of the building, should i worry about crime?

i have not seen the empire view is it worth it? it seems to have a high pricetag for less amenities? what do people think how do they compare?

edit: i work and go out in NYC but my apartment and sleeping is in Montclair.

edit2: i am looking to buy because i am tired of renting.

[openheads]

Originally Posted by jigglypuff

i am a commuter from NYC and dont intend to spend anytime in east orange outside of the building, should i worry about crime?

Yes, get out of NJ all together. Try the Bronx & do us a favor!
I love people like you. Should NJ embrace you & give you advice?
I say hell no.
How insulting................

[jigglypuff]

Originally Posted by openheads

Yes, get out of NJ all together. Try the Bronx & do us a favor!

ii have a friend who lives in the bronx and it is not really my style. did i say sometime wrong by the way? i didnt think there was anything wrong with being a commuter/homebody and asking questions.

[openheads]

Originally Posted by jigglypuff

ii have a friend who lives in the bronx and it is not really my style. did i say sometime wrong by the way? i didnt think there was anything wrong with being a commuter/homebody and asking questions.

Reread your post & ask yourself if that is not insulting to the people of E. Orange & NJ.............. I'll wait.

[jigglypuff]

Originally Posted by openheads

Reread your post & ask yourself if that is not insulting to the people of E. Orange & NJ.............. I'll wait.

i live in montclair right now, there is a LOT more crime in east orange than in montclair. it is true and i am sure that people even who live in east orange will say that it is not the safest place in the world. and as it is in montclair i dont go out much, i am a homebody. so i see no reason why i should say that i will go out more in a place that is very much more dangerous. if i go out it is to do a task or to see a sight. there is not much shopping in east orange (as i have read here) and as far as other tasks i do those in nyc or at home. i am a commuter plain and simple. i dont know why people should be offended by that. however i know that some people are offended by anyone or anything. so i cant really do much about those people

so my question stands, how bad is it? is it only bad in some parts or is it such that even in a "secure" building it is really unsafe?

and how would people compare the two buildings: 60 and empireview?

[zas]

If that is the case I would suggest that you stay in Montcair because if you have to worry about your safety where you live, that is a bad move....

[ottomobeale]

LOL its not insulting to NJ in general; just East Orange. And pointing that out is self evident. Yes worry about crime in EO.

http://www.city-data.com/city/East-O...ew-Jersey.html

EO is one of the worst places in NJ. Stay in Montclair. Montclair gets you diversity with a much lower chance of being killed by a neighbor.

http://www.city-data.com/city/Montclair-New-Jersey.html

[SocialLife1]

Hi,
I currently live in NYC and went to see 60 last Sunday. What I liked is during my wait for a tour, there were lots of white and asian people looking also (Sorry to whoever might get affended, that type of thing is important to me) saw Empire View also, its a little cheaper than 60 but it lacks all the perks 60 has to offer. I have heard alot about the redevelopment of East Orange and Newark which prompted me to do some research. My advice is visit the area at various times during the week and weekend, day and night. Ive done this and didnt notice anything crazy. Being a single female being safe is KEY. Im going to do more research. Please keep me posted if you find out anything new.

[SocialLife1]

Originally Posted by jigglypuff

i live in montclair right now, there is a LOT more crime in east orange than in montclair. it is true and i am sure that people even who live in east orange will say that it is not the safest place in the world. and as it is in montclair i dont go out much, i am a homebody. so i see no reason why i should say that i will go out more in a place that is very much more dangerous. if i go out it is to do a task or to see a sight. there is not much shopping in east orange (as i have read here) and as far as other tasks i do those in nyc or at home. i am a commuter plain and simple. i dont know why people should be offended by that. however i know that some people are offended by anyone or anything. so i cant really do much about those people

so my question stands, how bad is it? is it only bad in some parts or is it such that even in a "secure" building it is really unsafe?

and how would people compare the two buildings: 60 and empireview?

ok, first of all do the research. Crime has dropped by 60% in East Orange since that link was post (which is why it was removed on a previous post>check other posts on E.O) I dont know if its a realitor trying to deter people to Montclair away from East Orange or what. We should all be fair and honest in replying here as we are all trying to help each other (I think?). Anyway, crime in E.O is surely down wherever you choose to buy, Empire View or 60.

[topster7]

I left East Orange in 1970. Went back a time or two to visit Ma; the last time was 1983. It got rough and crime rose. Found out my wife's old grammar school, (Ashland), on Park Avenue burned down awhile back. Main Street died; Muirs Department Store passed into history. Now I know things will be different if you leave home as things change and progress. That's inevitable. But having two major highways gut whole neighborhoods sure didn't help.

There is still some of the most beautiful homes and large apartment buildings you ever saw in East Orange. Much is run down, but still able to be restored. What the town needs is an infusion of young, middle class families to balance out the folks that have not done a thing to preserve the beauty that town still has. Whites will not move back until they are assured of physical safety and a voice in local government/school board.

Yet on several ocassions, I've read others that say similar things jumped on and tangentally accused of racism. So I'll say it as plain as possible; if you are white, you are in danger just living in East Orange. I wish it wasn't so. I grew up in a red brick, six family apartment building on Park Avenue between Prospect Street and Woodland Avenue. E.O. residents know exactly where I'm talking about. I remember when they were building the "Executive House" luxury hi-rise on Propspect Street. The city still had promise.

East Orange will come back if they can attract a large number of young, white families to balance out the strong black middle class already there. That will be attacked as "racial"; but I think I'm right. The town is a jewel waiting to be polished agan; I just don't know if the will exists to do so.