??? on school budget (Carlstadt, Alpha: real estate, house, neighborhoods)

[njkate]

Originally Posted by UKOK

Where is this?

You're kiddding right???

NC, SC, GA, DE,PA to name a few and PA & DE are in the northeast

[Obrero]

Quote:
Originally Posted by VeradoDan
Amazing that in some states, people pay less than $1K a year in property taxes and have schools just as good as ours.

Originally Posted by njkate

You're kiddding right???

NC, SC, GA, DE,PA to name a few and PA & DE are in the northeast

No I'm not kidding. I want to know exactly whrere I can pay $1,000 a year in property taxes and get the same level of education I get currently.

[mike0421]

Originally Posted by UKOK

Quote:
Originally Posted by VeradoDan
Amazing that in some states, people pay less than $1K a year in property taxes and have schools just as good as ours.



No I'm not kidding. I want to know exactly whrere I can pay $1,000 a year in property taxes and get the same level of education I get currently.

An older home in towns/regions with high school rankings. Places like Rochester and Duluth Minnesota would come to mind.

[njkate]

Originally Posted by UKOK

Quote:
Originally Posted by VeradoDan
Amazing that in some states, people pay less than $1K a year in property taxes and have schools just as good as ours.



No I'm not kidding. I want to know exactly whrere I can pay $1,000 a year in property taxes and get the same level of education I get currently.

It amazes me that people still think NJ offers the best education in the nation
You don't think those yankee transplants in SC or NC are going to stand for sub par education...look over in those forums it's usually the first question potential transplants ask

[Obrero]

Originally Posted by mike0421

An older home in towns/regions with high school rankings. Places like Rochester and Duluth Minnesota would come to mind.

Well a quick look at Rochester tells me the average house price is around $200k (asking) which would make property taxes around 2k. The top notch high school there (Century) has a 88% proficiency rating in grade 10 reading and a 50% proficiency rating in grade 11 math. Pretty lousy if you ask me.

However - I will say....MY GOD it's cheap to live there. Seriously shocking how cheap the houses are....

[Obrero]

Originally Posted by njkate

It amazes me that people still think NJ offers the best education in the nation
You don't think those yankee transplants in SC or NC are going to stand for sub par education...look over in those forums it's usually the first question potential transplants ask

Who said you can't get a good education outside NJ? I was mearly asking for specifics of the location where I can get the same education my kids get in NJ and only pay $1,000 a year in property tax.....still waiting.

[mike0421]

Originally Posted by UKOK

Well a quick look at Rochester tells me the average house price is around $200k (asking) which would make property taxes around 2k. The top notch high school there (Century) has a 88% proficiency rating in grade 10 reading and a 50% proficiency rating in grade 11 math. Pretty lousy if you ask me.

However - I will say....MY GOD it's cheap to live there. Seriously shocking how cheap the houses are....

Just off the cuff, what would a comparable town in NJ school test scores be, let's say, Sparta? How do you get this info?

[Obrero]

Originally Posted by mike0421

Just off the cuff, what would a comparable town in NJ school test scores be, let's say, Sparta? How do you get this info?

So Sparta shows grade 11 proficiency ratings at 96% English and 93% math. The quickest place to get basic info is on Greatschools.net. Ignore the "rating" and drill down to the "test scores “. Amazing when you see what some schools offer our kids......

[mike0421]

Originally Posted by UKOK

So Sparta shows grade 11 proficiency ratings at 96% English and 93% math. The quickest place to get basic info is on Greatschools.net. Ignore the "rating" and drill down to the "test scores “. Amazing when you see what some schools offer our kids......

You know what I think though, ultimately, the schools are secondary to the parental culture in the aforementioned districts. If there is a culture in place to emphasize the value of achievement through education, the faculty can look pretty damn good in the face of it. The reverse is also true. So, I guess what I am saying, at least partially, is that when you carve up smaller amounts of land, as in the case of NJ municipalities, you increase the chances of being in a subset of a community that really values education. The larger the population you add to that same school system, the greater the likelihood you water down the scores. And I think that's what is really at the heart of some NJ schools testing out higher than other places: you are using geography, and lowering class size to create a more exclusive enclave of population that is inclined to achieve. It's the old taxes vs services paradigm that has been bandied back and forth in this forum forever, this segment of the argument can buttress the 'services' crowd (which UKOK seems to side with) over the 'lower taxes' crowd.

There is another active thread here about races keeping with each other in NJ. Someone made mention that he felt NJ was more segregated than places in the south. I think the argument I just put forth has a lot to do with it.

[njkate]

Originally Posted by mike0421

You know what I think though, ultimately, the schools are secondary to the parental culture in the aforementioned districts. If there is a culture in place to emphasize the value of achievement through education, the faculty can look pretty damn good in the face of it. The reverse is also true. So, I guess what I am saying, at least partially, is that when you carve up smaller amounts of land, as in the case of NJ municipalities, you increase the chances of being in a subset of a community that really values education. The larger the population you add to that same school system, the greater the likelihood you water down the scores. And I think that's what is really at the heart of some NJ schools testing out higher than other places: you are using geography, and lowering class size to create a more exclusive enclave of population that is inclined to achieve. It's the old taxes vs services paradigm that has been bandied back and forth in this forum forever, this segment of the argument can buttress the 'services' crowd (which UKOK seems to side with) over the 'lower taxes' crowd.

There is another active thread here about races keeping with each other in NJ. Someone made mention that he felt NJ was more segregated than places in the south. I think the argument I just put forth has a lot to do with it.

Exactly!!!! Lincoln HS in Jersey City didn't fare well at all

Scale: % at or above proficient

Grade 11

Language Arts Literacy
56% (2008)
46% (2007)
47% (2006)
50% (2005)
The state average for Language Arts Literacy was 83% in 2008.

Math
32% (2008)
27% (2007)
32% (2006)
29% (2005)
The state average for Math was 75% in 2008


But yet County Prep HS in Jesey City does well..could it be parent involvement
Grade 11

Language Arts Literacy
90% (2008)
89% (2007)
82% (2006)
94% (2005)
The state average for Language Arts Literacy was 83% in 2008.

Math
85% (2008)
83% (2007)
74% (2006)
83% (2005)
The state average for Math was 75% in 2008.