Chicago Family's 'Buy Black' Experiment Becoming a Nationwide Movement (loan, landlord)

[cyntmac]

When other groups of a different race do this- I hope you object just as loudly. Somehow I doubt that is the case. There are numerous examples of this everywhere and no thread to complain or protest.
Were you protesting segregation in the 60's? The real deal? Was your father or mother? Did they actually benefit from it? Many Americans did- and still do as it still exists in certain circumstances unofficially.
I don't hear the protests.
Not here.
Not anywhere.

[pfwnj]

Your post has nothing to do with the fundamental point: only buying things from a store run by <insert race here> people is racism.

If someone else decides to try to start a national campaign to only buy from <insert race here>, yes, I will say it's racist and self-defeating when someone points it out. If you have an example at hand, I will protest at it for you. At this moment in time, the topic at hand is the article presented. Of course, this is all handwaving, because no matter how racist other people are, it's still racist to be racist. All of the terrible things that happened to minorities, and continue to happen to minorities, do not justify racism on their part any more than white racism is justified by whatever nonsense supremacists use to go to sleep at night. In fact, probably the best way to ensure that those terrible things continue happening is to buy into that divided, racist mindset with initiatives like this: FOXnews will run an article on it, people like me will shake our heads at the fundamental irrationality and self-defeating nature of it, racists will use it as cannon fodder to push their agenda, and the idea that black people are different gets another run through the media.

If you've ever watched a bunch of young kids playing together, you quickly realize that that they don't care what the other kid looks like. They have to learn to care, to think of differences. And stuff like this is what ends up teaching them to do so.

[Lusitan]

Originally Posted by cyntmac

When other groups of a different race do this- I hope you object just as loudly. Somehow I doubt that is the case. There are numerous examples of this everywhere and no thread to complain or protest.

Post an article about another racist group of people refusing to patronize any businesses owned by people of a different skin color, and rest assured I will voice my objection just as firmly.

Were you protesting segregation in the 60's? The real deal? Was your father or mother? Did they actually benefit from it?

I wasn't around to be protesting segregation in the 60s. And I don't owe you a family history or a justification of what my ancestors were doing at any point in time. Suffice to say that my father was busy in southeast Asia during the 60s, and my mother hadn't even immigrated to this country yet. Nobody benefited from the segregation in the South at the time.

[dreamgirl84]

We have all already established that blacks are behind on the economic ladder right? So can we look at the whole experiment like this...

A young brother is hungry, and there is a pizza shop that's been up for thirty years, theyve even been mentioned as the "best in town", and he's been eating there for years.. But he's noticed the new Carribean spot down the street. The pizza place is packed as usual, and each time he's passed the Carribean spot its empty. He decides to pass on the pizza, and help a sistah out...

Now this is hypothetical, but imagine more people did the same. The Sistah would get some business, there would be a buzz, and the carribean spot would be included everyones list of menus along with the pizza shop, chinese, thai...etc

As previously stated, I believe its more about support. When a new business opens someone has to jumpstart the buzz, when it come to black owned businesses, its a bit more imperative that we start it, because its possible that no one else will...


Id also like to comment on refusal of people to just acknowledge whites have an advantage in this country. Its not a secret, and its not a slur, its the truth. Often many whites become defensive anytime blacks bring the history that still very much affect blacks today. I assume this is because they in no way want to assume any of the reponsibility for the America that slavery has left us with, but admitting isnt taking responsibility for slavery. Like any other problem, once we admit its there, we can take steps to fix it...

[CaptainNJ]

Originally Posted by dreamgirl84

We have all already established that blacks are behind on the economic ladder right? So can we look at the whole experiment like this...

A young brother is hungry, and there is a pizza shop that's been up for thirty years, theyve even been mentioned as the "best in town", and he's been eating there for years.. But he's noticed the new Carribean spot down the street. The pizza place is packed as usual, and each time he's passed the Carribean spot its empty. He decides to pass on the pizza, and help a sistah out...

Now this is hypothetical, but imagine more people did the same. The Sistah would get some business, there would be a buzz, and the carribean spot would be included everyones list of menus along with the pizza shop, chinese, thai...etc

As previously stated, I believe its more about support. When a new business opens someone has to jumpstart the buzz, when it come to black owned businesses, its a bit more imperative that we start it, because its possible that no one else will...


Id also like to comment on refusal of people to just acknowledge whites have an advantage in this country. Its not a secret, and its not a slur, its the truth. Often many whites become defensive anytime blacks bring the history that still very much affect blacks today. I assume this is because they in no way want to assume any of the reponsibility for the America that slavery has left us with, but admitting isnt taking responsibility for slavery. Like any other problem, once we admit its there, we can take steps to fix it...

funny, when i saw you use the words "brother" and "sistah" referring to the store owners i thought you were joking. the whole story is completely silly. the buzz is supposed to happen because some people decided to go to a place based on race? my guess is the pizza place probably has better food and the carribean place will close soon.

i actually believe blacks have the advantage. you have racist programs like affirmative action and you have blacks suing any chance they get. the fact that they dont capitalize on their advantage is their own fault.

[CaptainNJ]

Originally Posted by cyntmac

Right back at cha.
The Angry(whatever you are)Man comments are evidence of the truest form of the victim mindset anywhere.

me a victim? you will never find me claiming to be a victim.

you are so desperate to come back at me with what you think is a clever retort that you say something so silly.

[Lusitan]

Originally Posted by dreamgirl84

So can we look at the whole experiment like this...

A young brother is hungry, and there is a pizza shop that's been up for thirty years, theyve even been mentioned as the "best in town", and he's been eating there for years.. But he's noticed the new Carribean spot down the street. The pizza place is packed as usual, and each time he's passed the Carribean spot its empty. He decides to pass on the pizza, and help a sistah out...

Nothing wrong with expanding your horizons or spreading your business around and patronizing a new business in town, hoping it will succeed.

But if the "young brother" decides he's going to stop eating at the pizza place that has served him well for years and exclusively eat at places owned by "sistahs" with the same skin color as him, then that is racist. In degree it's not as bad as saying you won't buy anything from people with a different skin color (like the group in the article), because here you're just talking about food instead of all purchases, but it's the same concept.

And let's say that Carribean store becomes successful and the sistah sells it to someone with a different skin color. Now the brother stops going there because he doesn't have the same skin color as the owner? How is this not racist?

I believe its more about support. When a new business opens someone has to jumpstart the buzz, when it come to black owned businesses, its a bit more imperative that we start it, because its possible that no one else will...

Why -- because the owner is black? You're assuming non-blacks out there will refuse to go to the new place because the owner is black? You're assuming this with what justification? Why is the idea of going to a food joint because you like the type of food, the service, the atmosphere, etc. such a crazy concept, instead of assuming people patronize a business (or don't) because of the skin color of the owner?

[pfwnj]

Id also like to comment on refusal of people to just acknowledge whites have an advantage in this country. Its not a secret, and its not a slur, its the truth. Often many whites become defensive anytime blacks bring the history that still very much affect blacks today. I assume this is because they in no way want to assume any of the reponsibility for the America that slavery has left us with, but admitting isnt taking responsibility for slavery. Like any other problem, once we admit its there, we can take steps to fix it...

The cause of that problem was slavery and the racist segregation that followed. But that cause is over. It's like dropping a vase off a table: it happened. We are now left to deal with the results, which manifest primarily as poverty.

You don't fix that by preferentially patronizing businesses owned by black people. One of the typical characteristics of a business owner is that they are not impoverished. They might be putting everything into their business but that means they are working and at least staying alive in the economy. They are not in need of help.

The people who need help are the ones going to schools that are jokes, going home to families that are broken and then going out to play in crime infested drug holes. And if you think on that for a second, you realize that every single race has representation at that level of poverty, and you realize that race is no longer the fundamental issue. Poverty is the issue. It doesn't matter what color you are if you don't have functional parents and your only opportunity is crime. Helping "black people" misses the point: you need to help based on geographical areas and class/income/wealth levels, not skin color.

Affirmative action is a great idea. Take people who come from crappy situations and give them an opportunity - perfect. You grant people the chance to change their lives and it is then up to them to take it. But basing it on race makes no longer makes any sense. Base it on income level or where they're from right now, not their skin color. Of course I have an advantage over other people: my parents worked hard to create it for me. If someone else's parents didn't, then I've got a leg up. I have no problem helping out that other person, because neither of our situations have anything to do with us.

But to expect me to say, "Hey, that guy is black, I should help him out" seems insane. I can't imagine anything more insulting or racist, actually. What, because he's black, he needs help in life? That's just flat out wrong thinking, and I can't imagine anyone with a hint of pride being anything but angry if it were directed at them. If that guy is poor and wants to go to college, well, that's a totally different story, and it doesn't matter to me what color he is. If you go to an impoverished school and offer scholarships, it's basically the same thing, but rather than saying, "You are less capable because of your color and always will be, here, have some pity-money" you're saying, "You have less money than I through no fault of your own, but with that money, you might do great things."

Which sounds more empowering? Which is a stronger foundation for the future?

[Lusitan]

Originally Posted by pfwnj

The people who need help are the ones going to schools that are jokes, going home to families that are broken and then going out to play in crime infested drug holes. And if you think on that for a second, you realize that every single race has representation at that level of poverty, and you realize that race is no longer the fundamental issue. Poverty is the issue. It doesn't matter what color you are if you don't have functional parents and your only opportunity is crime. Helping "black people" misses the point: you need to help based on geographical areas and class/income/wealth levels, not skin color.

Affirmative action is a great idea. Take people who come from crappy situations and give them an opportunity - perfect. You grant people the chance to change their lives and it is then up to them to take it. But basing it on race makes no longer makes any sense. Base it on income level or where they're from right now, not their skin color. Of course I have an advantage over other people: my parents worked hard to create it for me. If someone else's parents didn't, then I've got a leg up. I have no problem helping out that other person, because neither of our situations have anything to do with us.

But to expect me to say, "Hey, that guy is black, I should help him out" seems insane. I can't imagine anything more insulting or racist, actually. What, because he's black, he needs help in life? That's just flat out wrong thinking, and I can't imagine anyone with a hint of pride being anything but angry if it were directed at them. If that guy is poor and wants to go to college, well, that's a totally different story, and it doesn't matter to me what color he is. If you go to an impoverished school and offer scholarships, it's basically the same thing, but rather than saying, "You are less capable because of your color and always will be, here, have some pity-money" you're saying, "You have less money than I through no fault of your own, but with that money, you might do great things."

Perfectly stated. This is a bright vision for the future!

[cyntmac]

Originally Posted by CaptainNJ

me a victim? you will never find me claiming to be a victim.

you are so desperate to come back at me with what you think is a clever retort that you say something so silly.

Another great example.
You exude this and ooze it without needing to say it or claim it at all.
It is evident and will not be pointed out to you.