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Old 06-02-2009, 10:08 PM
 
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Chris Christie defeats Steve Lonegan in Republican governor primary - NJ.com

I was leaning towards Lonegan, but I am ok with this. I think christie is a genuine guy who will do what he thinks is right and i am with him on most issues.

I just hope that cutting taxes and eliminating government waste is a priority to him
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Old 06-03-2009, 05:14 AM
 
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I voted for Steve but Chris will do a fine job IF he can take down the powerhouse Corzine.. Hopefully he can
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Old 06-03-2009, 05:45 AM
 
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Ugh, more of the same from NJ
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Old 06-03-2009, 07:10 AM
 
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IMHO, he can easily win if he runs a semi-effective campaign. it'll be interesting to see how this all shakes out.
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Old 06-03-2009, 07:17 AM
 
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I think it will be a close race between Christie and Corzine, but in the end I think Corzine will win.
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Old 06-03-2009, 07:26 AM
 
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I think it will be a close race between Christie and Corzine, but in the end I think Corzine will win.
I don't think it will be that close.
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Old 06-03-2009, 07:29 AM
 
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I don't think it will be that close.
The theme over the past year has been "change" - I think it'll be close. Corzine is simply not popular - think Florio.
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Old 06-03-2009, 07:48 AM
 
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The theme over the past year has been "change" - I think it'll be close. Corzine is simply not popular - think Florio.
I agree, but I also think people will vote Corzine just because he is a Democrat. Especially when he gets Obama and Clinton to stump for him.
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Old 06-03-2009, 07:54 AM
 
Location: New Jersey
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damn, I wanted that loonie Lonegan to win -- it'd be easier to marginalize him

still, Christie can be taken down... after all, he's a hand-picked acolyte of George W. Bush, and Christie has no experience as a chief executive (or as a lawyer!)
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Old 06-03-2009, 08:27 AM
 
Location: 32°19'03.7"N 106°43'55.9"W
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The theme over the past year has been "change" - I think it'll be close. Corzine is simply not popular - think Florio.
I remember Florio quite vividly. After campaigning on a no new taxes pledge in 1989, and defeating that stiff, Jim Courter, he ramrodded a 2.8 billion tax increase within two months of taking office (sound familiar? Think of Bill Clinton in 1993. It only took him 3 weeks though). In 1991, you couldn't drive more than 2 miles in NJ without seeing a "Florio Free in 1993" or "Fire Florio, Get DelTufo" bumper sticker. The outrage towards Florio seemed immense. But something funny happens in NJ when you drive towards NYC or Philly. Those types of bumper stickers begin to disappear. Or at least they did back when I still lived in NJ, back in the early 90s. If you are living in a place such as Morris or Ocean County, living a relatively insular life, you really begin to believe that anti-Florio or anti-Corzine sentiment. But in reality, all it takes to nullify that sentiment is to have several busloads of people being driven to the polls in Newark, Camden, Trenton, by very, VERY organized and VERY motivated people, the ones who work behind the scenes for very powerful state special interest groups. Much like the Bolsheviks of 1917, these people are incredibly disciplined, and incredibly organized. Every election day in NJ, they circle the horses, get out their rank and file, and get their officials re-elected.

Getting back to my original point, Whitman won election in 1993 by 1%.(And Bill Clinton nationally was MUCH more unpopular than Obama is now) But Florio had amassed a 10 point lead in most polls prior to the election. The real question is: why did he even have a lead? Were people so forgetful over the past two years (91 and 92) to remember what type of tax increase Florio ran through the legislature with perpetuity? Or is it just because you have a core, unmoveable 45% block of likely voters in the state that will pull the lever for a candidate that resembles a tomato can, as long as it has a "D" in front of it?

You have to give the Democrats credit. They are more disciplined, more focused, more organized, and more united, when it comes to politics. In New Jersey especially. And in this case, you have an opposition candidate that talks about lowering taxes without any substanative plan as how to do it. Lonegan was going to make the voting public take a dose of Castor oil, and that didn't sit well on the Republican side. That's really too bad. Because a good part of the reason NJ (and the country) is in the shape it is today is because politicians from both parties pass popular programs without raising taxes to pay for them. Innately, we are selfish. As a population, we want these programs, and we don't want to pay for them. This leads, eventually, to the devaluation of the currency. And that, if you really split hairs, is why NJ has devolved into the state it has today. Too many people prefer an abundance of government in their lives, in some fashion.
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