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Old 06-08-2009, 03:06 PM
 
Location: Home
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Why should they be taxed at a higher rate do they consume more government services than anyone else?
Again, you are being ignorant and combative. Please read my post again and highlight where I said that they should be charged a higher rate?

Flat tax. Plain and simple.

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All taxes add up as Tom Galisano said he could save $13,000/day by moving to Florida a no income tax state.
Then why doesn't he move there? Maybe he has family in NJ? A job that pays more than in Florida? Maybe he grew up in NJ and likes the seasons more than constant heat and humidity?

Don't get me started on the bugs.
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Old 06-08-2009, 03:20 PM
 
Location: Holmdel, NJ
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Private schools do stink.
i dont think you can make this statement and be accurate either way. im sure there are good ones and bad ones. growing up in morganville, i had neighbors who went to private school. they werent going because it stunk, they had tons of work and they ended up going to ivy league schools.
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Old 06-08-2009, 03:52 PM
 
Location: Holmdel, NJ
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i just did a search on the realtor web site and saw 305 houses listed for sale in saddle river.n city data tells me the avg household size is 2.8 people and a population of 3,784. okay so that means 1351 households.

so 305 of 1,351 households are selling their homes. unless im missing something, that doesnt sound very good to me.
i thought this was an interesting piece of info and was hoping someone would either say it was interesting or say i am wrong for x reason.
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Old 06-08-2009, 04:57 PM
 
Location: Hoboken
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You clearly are not a teacher.



Um, 99% of my public school went to college. I myself got a scholarship to Stanford in Grad School.

Private schools do stink. The only difference being, time and time again, whether or not the parents care enough to make sure their kids are DOING their work.

BTW, If you knew better you would also know that Yale, Harvard and other Ivys are ranked lower, by calibur of graduate they produce, than other less notable. It isn't WHAT you know, but WHO you know when you get into those places.

Surprise surprise, those that have $$ are more likely to get in. (Not directly, you have to, as I have suggested, know someone).

So whatever. You are siting the schools as one of the evils on the "gravy train" without truly knowing what they pay teachers as compared to admins.

And you are looking for a fight.
$23,000/pupil is outrageous especially for the low quality product produced.

You are clearly a child to make the statements about private schools and the Ivys that you have made.
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Old 06-08-2009, 04:58 PM
 
Location: Hoboken
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Again, you are being ignorant and combative. Please read my post again and highlight where I said that they should be charged a higher rate?

Flat tax. Plain and simple.



Then why doesn't he move there? Maybe he has family in NJ? A job that pays more than in Florida? Maybe he grew up in NJ and likes the seasons more than constant heat and humidity?

Don't get me started on the bugs.

Ay yay yay, you have no idea who Golisano is do you? He moved to Florida.
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Old 06-08-2009, 05:23 PM
 
Location: 38 38' 45" N, -90 20' 08" W
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i thought this was an interesting piece of info and was hoping someone would either say it was interesting or say i am wrong for x reason.
I think the mathematics here might be specious, and I'll tell you why. The geographical boundaries that encapsulate that population are undefined. Similarly, the listings might not be bounded by that population and can be in fact in adjacent zip codes.
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Old 06-08-2009, 05:58 PM
 
Location: Montgomery County, PA
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$23,000/pupil is outrageous especially for the low quality product produced.
Yes, but does it follow from this that the teachers are overpaid ? According to the guy who did the movie "Cartel", teachers salaries are about 15% of the budget.

IMO, the amount that teachers are paid is a complete red herring. The real issue here is the incentives. The teachers don't have any incentive to perform effectively (union contracts). The government have no incentive to eliminate costs (administrative bloat). Administrators have no incentive to make the school perform (they have a captive market). Students have relatively little incentive to perform (most public schools take all comers)

A good first step in the right direction would be vouchers.

The US runs the education system like a feudal system - a strange medieval hierarchical bureaucracy. Even "socialist" sweden has a voucher system.
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Old 06-08-2009, 06:10 PM
 
Location: Hoboken
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Yes, but does it follow from this that the teachers are overpaid ? According to the guy who did the movie "Cartel", teachers salaries are about 15% of the budget.

IMO, the amount that teachers are paid is a complete red herring. The real issue here is the incentives. The teachers don't have any incentive to perform effectively (union contracts). The government have no incentive to eliminate costs (administrative bloat). Administrators have no incentive to make the school perform (they have a captive market). Students have relatively little incentive to perform (most public schools take all comers)

A good first step in the right direction would be vouchers.

The US runs the education system like a feudal system - a strange medieval hierarchical bureaucracy. Even "socialist" sweden has a voucher system.

No it doesn't mean they are over paid. The whole lot of them from top to bottom are over paid. For the lousy results they get they are over paid.

I am all for vouchers.
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Old 06-08-2009, 07:26 PM
 
Location: Montgomery County, PA
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No it doesn't mean they are over paid. The whole lot of them from top to bottom are over paid. For the lousy results they get they are over paid.

I am all for vouchers.
No, the fact that they get lousy results doesn't mean that every single one of them is overpaid. It means that the system is inefficient. Ironically, it is the tendency to indiscriminately lump everyone into a group (e.g. the union approach) that leads to inefficiency.
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Old 06-08-2009, 07:31 PM
 
Location: Hoboken
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No, the fact that they get lousy results doesn't mean that every single one of them is overpaid. It means that the system is inefficient. Ironically, it is the tendency to indiscriminately lump everyone into a group (e.g. the union approach) that leads to inefficiency.
No not every single one of them but most of them. It isn't a small group of teachers that are failing these kids.
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