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Old 06-09-2009, 07:15 PM
 
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And thats exactly why the politicians keep piling on the fees and taxes. Silence is concent......they sit in their back rooms and laugh at how gullible and stupid we are......why should they even attempt to change if we allow ourselves to keep being lead to the slaughter without protest.
I'm pretty anti-tax but I'm much more content with a "use" tax like beach tags than a general income tax or real estate tax where the government can use (or waste it) in a multitude of ways. If more people go, they will need to maintain the beaches more. And if the price is too high, people will stop going. If people don't support something, they can vote with their dollars. With the income tax, there's too many special interest groups that need to get their cut.
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Old 06-09-2009, 07:23 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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I'm pretty anti-tax but I'm much more content with a "use" tax like beach tags than a general income tax or real estate tax where the government can use (or waste it) in a multitude of ways. If more people go, they will need to maintain the beaches more. And if the price is too high, people will stop going. If people don't support something, they can vote with their dollars. With the income tax, there's too many special interest groups that need to get their cut.

Look at it this way......everyone in New Jersey pays taxes and a portion of those taxes already go toward maintaining the beaches. Why do we need a "use" tax on top of the taxes we already pay ? These shore towns that get the funds from these "use" taxes already receive their income from those who vacation there all summer long not to mention having the state tax payers replace their beaches everytime a storm washes them out to sea. The bottom line here is that everyone in New Jersey has already paid for the right to sit on the beaches MANY times over. Many of these shore towns wouldn't even have a beach today if the New Jersey taxpayers didn't foot the all replacement bills in the past. Its a disgrace to keep making us pay over and over.
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Old 06-09-2009, 07:29 PM
 
Location: Martinsville, NJ
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You are in a very small minority in this state (or anywhere) who can say that......you should be thankful for your good fortune instead of gloating about it on CityData.
Perhaps it wasn't "good fortune" at all, but the result of intelligent choices, hard work and a positive attitude?
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Old 06-09-2009, 07:35 PM
 
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Look at it this way......everyone in New Jersey pays taxes and a portion of those taxes already go toward maintaining the beaches. Why do we need a "use" tax on top of the taxes we already pay ? These shore towns that get the funds from these "use" taxes already receive their income from those who vacation there all summer long not to mention having the state tax payers replace their beaches everytime a storm washes them out to sea. The bottom line here is that everyone in New Jersey has already paid for the right to sit on the beaches MANY times over. Many of these shore towns wouldn't even have a beach today if the New Jersey taxpayers didn't foot the all replacement bills in the past. Its a disgrace to keep making us pay over and over.
Sure, but I was speaking in the general sense. Direct taxes > Indirect taxes
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Old 06-09-2009, 07:55 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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Perhaps it wasn't "good fortune" at all, but the result of intelligent choices, hard work and a positive attitude?

That would suggest that the other 95% with lower incomes all didn't make intelligent choices, didn't work hard and all had negative attitudes ? I assume that you, like me, are not in the top 5%.....did you make poor choices, didn't work hard and had a negative attitude........I suspect not.......No.....to be in the top 5% there has to be some good fortune involved.
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Old 06-09-2009, 07:56 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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Sure, but I was speaking in the general sense. Direct taxes > Indirect taxes

Double talk.......your still paying double the taxes for the single right to sit on a beach here.
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Old 06-09-2009, 08:11 PM
 
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Double talk.......your still paying double the taxes for the single right to sit on a beach here.
Where in the state income tax does it CLEARLY pay for beach upkeep and are you 100% sure that those funds cover the full cost of beach upkeep?

Saying you are paying double MAY be false.
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Old 06-09-2009, 08:48 PM
 
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Double talk.......your still paying double the taxes for the single right to sit on a beach here.
What is the double talk?
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Old 06-09-2009, 09:11 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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Where in the state income tax does it CLEARLY pay for beach upkeep and are you 100% sure that those funds cover the full cost of beach upkeep?

Saying you are paying double MAY be false.
Our taxes go to maintain the beaches......the shore towns couldn't begin to bear the cost of maintaining them.....let alone replace them everytime a winter storm washes them out to sea.
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Old 06-09-2009, 09:13 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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What is the double talk?
Direct taxes vs indirect taxes.......what difference does it make......your paying twice !!!
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