Is New Jersey Really that Horrible? (credit card, neighborhood, live)

[Ninjahedge]

Originally Posted by The Michigan Man

Really? They won't? What's your basis for saying this?

Experience.

Let the companies decide. Consumers pay businesses for services. That's how it works. Some will offer the service, some won't. This is how it works in OTHER STATES with more freedom.

Freedom? Oh you are laughable. If the town mowed your lawn for you you would complain because you did not have the freedom to do it for yourself AND you wuold think that somehow your taxes would go down if they didn't.

If there is more fire risk, insurance rates will be higher. It will be up to the owner to make that call for him or herself. We do not need the government to FORCE gas station attendants to pump gas. It's a mindless job. I can do it if I want to. If I don't, I can pay someone else to do it.

No, because insurance rates to NOT go up appreciably. The owner would make more money because people go to stations they know out of convenience. Why can a gas station that is first off the highway exit charge 20 cents more than the one right down the road? Because most people do not travel down the road to GET the gas. They see the first one and go for it. Same thing at the river crossings.

Would you go out of yuor way to pay less at a gas station that has self-serve if it meant going off teh Parkway to do it? You think it costs the Parkway gas stations that much money to be there that they HAVE to charge you as much as they do?

Removing the requirement would do nothing than remove the service. That is it. This is not a good "free market" model since the self service is not a driving factor.

[SilkCity0416]

Good point. ^^^^

[The Michigan Man]

Originally Posted by Ninjahedge

Experience.

You're going to have to do better than that. Otherwise, I could just say: "My experience says otherwise." That's a pointless conversation.

Actually, other states say otherwise.

Freedom? Oh you are laughable. If the town mowed your lawn for you you would complain because you did not have the freedom to do it for yourself AND you wuold think that somehow your taxes would go down if they didn't.

Why do you laugh at freedom?

As for the lawn mowing reference, please do not complain about straw man's arguments if you are going to make them yourself. It's a whopper too.

No, because insurance rates to NOT go up appreciably. The owner would make more money because people go to stations they know out of convenience. Why can a gas station that is first off the highway exit charge 20 cents more than the one right down the road? Because most people do not travel down the road to GET the gas. They see the first one and go for it. Same thing at the river crossings.

No, that wasn't my point. My point was that if insurance companies determine that self-serve stations are more dangerous, they will charge higher premiums. If business owners feel the benefits outweigh the costs, they will have full serve stations. If they don't, they won't. Regardless, business owners are in a better position to determine what consumers want, not Trenton.

Would you go out of yuor way to pay less at a gas station that has self-serve if it meant going off teh Parkway to do it? You think it costs the Parkway gas stations that much money to be there that they HAVE to charge you as much as they do?

I'm not sure what I'd do. It'd depend on if I was in a rush or not. This is not about me, this about all consumers. Let consumers decide if they want full service or self-service.

Removing the requirement would do nothing than remove the service. That is it. This is not a good "free market" model since the self service is not a driving factor.

Incorrect. All it would do is remove an unnecessary requirement on gas stations. Other states ruin your point. They have the freedom to choose. Some are self-service, some are full-service.

[tahiti]

Originally Posted by NJ Bear

Your question was, where can you live and not have to drive far to get to all of these things. I specifically answered that question. Please read again if the answer is that important to you.

Here, I'll simplify... not interested in proximity to NYC; going to a big city once in a while can be fun, but that's irrelevant anyway because -nobody- in any state besides Alaska, ID, WY, MT, and the Dakotas lives more than a few hours from one city or another anyway; and most places have better/higher-quality outdoor rec. space and opportunities much closer than the access to that type of quality "habitat" from NJ.

Happy?

wow. you're bitter.

[NJ Bear]

I'm not bitter, I just wish people would read my post instead of saying I didn't answer their question just because they either didn't read it or didn't happen to like the answer they got. ;-) No need for defensive attitudes and name calling, if you had a specific further question I'd have gladly answered it.

[Jdawg8181]

lol why do I like the new jersey forum better than the LI one?

[Ninjahedge]

Less of an accent?

[FlyersFan]

Originally Posted by NJ Bear

Well, since NYC, Philly, and Boston don't do much for me (Boston? BOSTON? Who brags about proximity to a city that far away? Just about EVERYBODY is within a 5 hour drive of one city or another!) that's a non-starter in my book. I mean sure, it's fun every once in a while to go into the city, but whether it's 1.5 hr drive or 4 hour drive to do that makes no difference to me for the once a year or so that I do it.

Beaches are OK, there's nicer ones eleswhere and it's not really my thing anyway. You mention the Catskills, Poconos, etc.... my point is it's nice to live in an area where you can do outdoor activities such as you might in those areas without spending half the day getting there and back, that if you want to do these things regularly NJ isn't the place because you have to drive a ways to get "out". Sure, NJ has some nice state parks and so on that fill the bill when you're pressed for time or as an old standby, but relatively speaking most of them are not that special compared with the opportunities in most other northeastern states. So, there's your "example" right there for places you "don't have to drive a long way".... the fact that in most every (every?) other northeastern state you can get to better outdoor rec oportunites than almost anything NJ's got in a fraction of the time it takes to get to any of these places, even the Catskills, from NJ (I didn't mention the Poconos, even though they have some nice areas, because in general it's mostly gotten too residential/developed and commercialized for my taste... why drive an hour to get there when it looks not much different from where I live?). In terms of outdoor recreation, if you're really "into" it there's a lot to be said for being able to do things like go for a "real" hike even if you've only got 3-4 free hours on a Sunday morning, or leave to go camping on a Fri. night after work and get to the campsite at 7 and set up and relax and make dinner instead of arriving an hour or two after dark, that sort of thing.

Heres a post thats to the point and accurate in the information provided about living in New Jersey yet the poster is attacked and labeled as being bitter. Is this just a way to discount what he posted ? This is a perfect example of a post being attacked on CD soley because you present an unpopular but accurate opinion. If you can't refute whats written attack the poster and discredit what he says by labeling him "bitter".

[NJ Bear]

Hey thanks Flyers, at least some level heads are around here!

[BergenCountyJohnny]

Originally Posted by mrgrinch

I live in NC, originally from WI and there are a lot of NJ transplants here (as well as all over the country) Everybody I mean EVERYBODY from there says that its like a communist state with in the US. That taxes are ridiculous, that it is anti-business and hopelessly polluted. One lady told me it has worse roads than Somolia.

Is it true?

It is horrible here, and the roads are worse than Somalia. Every morning, I wake up around 6 AM because of the gunshots. Since we have no running water I have to walk a few miles (barefoot, because I can't afford shoes) to a river. The river near me is good, though, because the pollution in it glows bright green, so you can swish it away to get the less polluted water.

On the way back, the Communist-run NJ State Water Tax Police charge me $10 for the water I filled my water jug with, so it's not all that bad, because some other parts of NJ charge $20 or more, so water is definitely not too expensive in NJ.

The other day I got arrested because I made some lemonade with the water and my neighbor gave me a dime for a glass of lemonade, which is illegal. The NJ Storm Troopers swooped in and arrested me for conducting business without a license. I'll never do something so foolish again!

Housing is good here though. I share a home only with 3 other families. Ever since the NJ government rounded up all the anti-communists and threw them in jail, housing is a lot better in NJ, we all have fewer families living in each 2-room shack.

I live in a wealthier town. Our town has two soccer balls for recreation, and we all share them. The kids in town set up garbage cans for goals and it's no different from real soccer except they have to play with a lot of garbage and sewage on the field. Football is illegal here, it's too American. We love soccer because it's communist, like the rest of NJ.

I'm looking for a job but it's hard because I'm not a minority. In NJ, if you are a minority they give a job even if you're not qualified for it, because we're all Communists and want it that way.

In NJ everyone has a car, so we're a wealthy state; but we don't all have a horse or mule to pull it, so many people push it with their feet through a hole in the floor.

Why, what's it like in North Carolina? I heard that down there they don't even have outhouses like we have.