Is New Jersey Really that Horrible? (purchase, high school, college)

[BrianH1970]

Originally Posted by Mattie

I went to see Jersey Boys in Atlanta tonight. Now, I'm homesick for NJ. It was nice to hear people sound like I do again.

But... the signs in the lobby were hysterical. "Warning, this production contains authentic profane Jersey language." Whaaaat? Now Jersey gets ownership of swear words?

When I saw that on Broadway a couple of years ago I thought that warning was awesome!!!! Like you I did get homesick. Not only did they sound a lot like me but they swore a lot like me with nearly the same frequency.

I don't think we're really getting ownership of the actual swear words (as much as I'd really like to see that happen), I'd like to think we take ownership on how we use them.

"Ay...Joey Baggadonuts ...why don yoo go f**k yuhself...yeah, you heard me...go f**k yuhself...".

Because for some reason a lot of us feel the need to make sure not so much that you were heard but that you were understood. Or at least beat the other person to the "what did you just say to me" part.

[catchick30]

IMO, everyone is different, therefore views are different. I was born and raised in upstate Ny, visited Jersey, Now live in NC. I always heard negative things about Jersey growing up, but when I visited my brother who lived in Jersey City, and my ex's father who lived in a quieter area (dont quite remember where). I enjoyed it all, (especially watching a jets/steelers game@meadowlands I can take or leave football on tv, but a live pro game was the bomb!) hope to get to revisit soon too, though it is not where I want to live, I'm a country girl.
there are negatives and positives in every state, its up to you to decide how you want to see it.

[The Michigan Man]

Originally Posted by AnesthesiaMD

See, the thing that makes oil/gas different than other "free market" products is that it is basically a necessity. It is not a kitchen table or GI Joe. People need it for their daily lives.

No, it's not a necessity. If people need it, how did people live before oil/gas was discovered? Oil/gas makes our lives a hell of a lot more comfortable, but it's certainly not a need.

Another thing that makes it different than GI Joe is that they need to keep buying it over and over again.

We don't "need" to buy it. If I don't buy it, I won't die. I CHOOSE to buy it. Huge difference.

There is definitely a lot of local price fixing going on as well and the gas stations will do whatever is in their own best interests, not the consumer's. An example is that one gas station in my neighborhood started charging extra if you use a credit card. I stopped going to that gas station, but before I knew it, every gas station in my area followed suit, so I have nowhere else to go. I now have to go to the ATM every time I want gas, because I refuse to pay extra. Remove the full service requirement, and the same exact thing will happen. It will be a win for the gas stations, but a loss for the consumers who, in NJ, overwhelmingly want to keep the requirement.

Gas stations are merely passing on the cost of credit card fees onto the consumer. Credit card fees are about 2-4% of all sales. If not enough gas stations offer free credit card transactions, it sounds like an inefficiency is in place and some more stores can take advantage of it.

If you remove the full service requirement, consumers will choose what they want and businesses will adjust. Again, have you ever been to other states to fill up?

I also find it interesting that it is always people from other states that complain about our full service rule. You rarely see a born and bred New Jerseyite complaining about it, because most of us support it. Why is that? Isn't the whole point of having separate states that we can have different rules to fit our needs and desires? Isn't that what limited government is all about? If I dont like NJ's rules, I can move to Texas or vice versa. The Federal government makes federal laws from which there is no escape, other than move to another country, but how realistic is that? If you really want the law changed, and you are a NJ voter, write your congressman. If enough people agree with you, then the law will be changed. It's as simple as that.

No sh*t buddy, where did I ever argue otherwise? Stop inventing arguments.

[AnesthesiaMD]

[quote=The Michigan Man;9381704]

No, it's not a necessity. If people need it, how did people live before oil/gas was discovered? Oil/gas makes our lives a hell of a lot more comfortable, but it's certainly not a need.



We don't "need" to buy it. If I don't buy it, I won't die. I CHOOSE to buy it. Huge difference.

If you are not going to be realistic, what is the point of discussing the issue?

Gas stations are merely passing on the cost of credit card fees onto the consumer. Credit card fees are about 2-4% of all sales. If not enough gas stations offer free credit card transactions, it sounds like an inefficiency is in place and some more stores can take advantage of it.

Again, due to the unique nature of their product, that's not going to happen. There is definitely price (and service) fixing in this business, and I cant just go on the internet and buy my gas online.

If you remove the full service requirement, consumers will choose what they want and businesses will adjust. Again, have you ever been to other states to fill up?

No. I have never been to any other states.
I own a house in a state that has self serve, and you know what? They charge a lot more for full service. That is exactly what we DONT want here.

No sh*t buddy, where did I ever argue otherwise? Stop inventing arguments.

Wow. You take this stuff personally, dont you? lol
If you are saying that we dont have the right to have a full service requirement, you are "arguing otherwise".

[The Michigan Man]

[quote=AnesthesiaMD;9381877]

Originally Posted by The Michigan Man

If you are not going to be realistic, what is the point of discussing the issue?

I was correcting your factual error. We don't need oil and that's absolutely true. It makes our lives much more convenient, but we don't need it.

Again, due to the unique nature of their product, that's not going to happen. There is definitely price (and service) fixing in this business, and I cant just go on the internet and buy my gas online.

No, but you can buy it in many roads that have a decent amount of traffic. Companies are supposed to charge as much as you are willing to pay for it. If the price is too high, you won't buy it.

No. I have never been to any other states.
I own a house in a state that has self serve, and you know what? They charge a lot more for full service. That is exactly what we DONT want here.

I didn't say you HAVEN'T been to other states. If you look at other states, they have the freedom to choose. If you don't want to pay the "full service" premium, you won't go to those stations. NJ doesn't get a free lunch because it requires full-service stations -- it's built into the cost.

Wow. You take this stuff personally, dont you? lol
If you are saying that we dont have the right to have a full service requirement, you are "arguing otherwise".

How am I taking this personally? I never said we don't have a right to a full servie requirement. Please quote me where I said that. I said it's a dumb regulation - but it came from NJ, so there you go.

[KathyA11]

[quote=The Michigan Man;9382514]

Originally Posted by AnesthesiaMD

I didn't say you HAVEN'T been to other states. If you look at other states, they have the freedom to choose. If you don't want to pay the "full service" premium, you won't go to those stations. NJ doesn't get a free lunch because it requires full-service stations -- it's built into the cost.

It may be built into the cost, but in my experience, gas here is still cheaper at full-serve stations than it is at self-serve stations in other states.

[The Michigan Man]

[quote=KathyA11;9383102]

Originally Posted by The Michigan Man

It may be built into the cost, but in my experience, gas here is still cheaper at full-serve stations than it is at self-serve stations in other states.

Because of gas taxes.

[AnesthesiaMD]

Originally Posted by The Michigan Man

NJ doesn't get a free lunch because it requires full-service stations -- it's built into the cost.

Here is the main issue. If I believed for a second that they would keep the same price for full serve and lower the price for self serve, I would be all for it, but life experience a little bit of common sense tells me otherwise. The price you see NOW would be the price for self serve and there would be a premium for full serve, regardless of the rhetoric to the contrary.

[DailyJournalist]

I believe New Jersey is a excellent state offering all the things that are important to me; good wages, good employment opportunities, cultural offerings, and accesss to urban and recreational centers. I lived in the south for a short time and think that you give it way too much for access to cheaper housing.

[AnesthesiaMD]

Originally Posted by KathyA11

It may be built into the cost, but in my experience, gas here is still cheaper at full-serve stations than it is at self-serve stations in other states.

You snuck this in while I was typing my last post.

Thank you. You are absolutely right.

When they switched to "cash pricing", they didn't lower the price for cash. They raised the price for credit cards.